What is smart pricing?

Discussion in 'AdSense' started by ethanwa, Oct 22, 2005.

  1. dzcap

    dzcap Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Calculate your click values, if they dropped significantly, then it means you were hit. I was a victim =(

    For YPN, I registered with 2 sites in the last 24 hours, is it better to register all the sites? Maybe they'll review my application quicker?
     
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  2. compar

    compar Peon

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    #22
    I just checked my AdSense reports for the last year and a half and my payment per click is just as high today as it has ever been. The average BTW is right around 24 cents per click.
     
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  3. compar

    compar Peon

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    #23
    I don't think it means you were "hit". I think it means that the ads on your page are not performing well for the advertisers. Either your click through rate is poor or the traffic you are delivering isn't targeted.

    In the end you will have the same problem with any system you use. Improve the quality and relevance of your page. Why should Google allow you to rip off an advertiser if you aren't delivering quality performance and service?
     
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  4. dzcap

    dzcap Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Sorry but I believe it is the other way around. Why is it the webmaster's fault if the advertiser put together a poor landing page? How would someone be ripping an advertiser off if the visitor clicked the ad out of interest? Surely the advertiser should assume some fault also! Just voicing my opinioin, please don't neg me.

    And I stand by my comment that if your click values dropped SIGINIFICANTLY, you were hit. Improving the quality and relevance would help the CTR, but it shouldn't determine if the visitor that clicked the ad is more valuable or not.
     
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    #25
    It's like the publisher is being penalised if the advertiser can't sell his product. The advertisers are buying traffic(or so I thought). It is up to them to sell their product after the clicks get them the traffic, not the referrer. :mad:
     
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    #26
    I think you need to look at it from an advertisers point of view. Let's say there are two sites A and B. An advertiser finds that 50% of people who click from site A end up buying a product because of the click, but only 10% of people from site B but the product. So its not the fault of the landing page, he is getting 50% of the from site A to buy, its the fault of site B for not sending qualified visitors.

    From the advertisers point of view, you could turn your statement around and say: "Why is the advertiser's fault if the publisher put together a website that delivers poor quality clicks."

    Remember, attracting more advertisers to the AdSense/AdWords ecosystem makes the whole system better. Advertisers getting good ROI from their campaigns leads to them spending even more money on advertising. Publishers with quality websites should be happy about smart pricing.
     
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    dzcap Well-Known Member

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    #27
    What difference does it make since they are TARGETED visitors? That is STILL the advertiser's responsibility to convert the visitors. If there are 10 total sites sending visitors but only 1 of them is converting at 50%, why take it out on the other 9 sites?

    "Publishers with quality websites should be happy about smart pricing."
    Smart-pricing helps the ADVERTISER only, not the publisher.
     
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  8. Jafar Calley

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    #28
    I was thinking about the lots of clicks but low income thing. Could some of the clicks be PSA's? Are PSA clicks reported on your account as a click?
    I was just wondering as I eagerly awaited the first click of the day which arrived in good time, but earned a big fat zero cents.:(
     
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  9. tlainevool

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    #29
    PSA clicks are not counted as clicks on your account.
     
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    #30
    As an adwords advertiser, this is simple. If I get lots of clicks through adsense sites but the conversion sucks compared to clicks through google, why would I want to pay for clicks on adsense sites?

    In other words, if an adsense site has his buddies click the ads in a clicking network I doubt they plan on buying in the first place.:eek: :eek:
     
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  11. Eric Giguere

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    #31
    I know there's been a lot of excitement over Chitika, but it's definitely not for everyone because the ad inventory is quite a bit smaller than Google's. I'm sure this will improve over time, but most of the keywords I target don't have much in the way of products listed in Chitika right now, so it's certainly not a big money-maker for me.

    If you're considering Chitika, go over to the main Chitika.com page and test out the search facility with your top keywords to see if it's worth joining.

    Of course, there's nothing that prevents you from using non-contextual eMiniMalls on the same page as AdSense ads, but that's pointless if there's no ad inventory to show.

    I don't see why Chitika and other ad programs won't run into similar issues as they grow, by the way. The early adopters stand to benefit the most, I assume, just like the early adopters of AdSense were able to benefit from the earlier features of the AdSense program (like higher minimum click values, no smart pricing, etc.).
     
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    #32
    That's very true. In fact I wrote them asking for a list of advertisers or a place to go to see who was advertising with them. But your idea of doing a search will work I guess.
     
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    #33
    I just went back to Chitika.com and I can't even find a search function so that I can follow your suggestion.:confused: :confused: :confused:
     
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  14. Eric Giguere

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    #34
    Go to the Chitika home page and you'll see a sample eMiniMalls ad there in the middle of the page. Click on the search tab you see there. Enter the keyword in the text box there. For example, "AdSense" gives you "No products found" while "BlackBerry" will show you a RIM BlackBerry 7100t.
     
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    #35
    Top of my site, home page-- in the sig-- you'll find a big Chitika search box. Also, browse shopping.com, I believe every product on that site is available as a Chitika ad.
     
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    #36
    There have been some interesting developments in the last 24 hours on the issue of Smartpricing. Apparently, a WW member spoke with a Google rep who inadvertently let some Smartpricing cats out of the bag. If true, this is big news. It includes the gem that one bad site in your account could cause all your sites to lose big money. Rumour? Well, I thought so. Then Jenstar who's pretty much the #1 cat when it comes to Adsense ran it on her blog. It's unlikely she'd run something like that as fact unless she has good reason to. It's worth a read. I've added Smartpricing as a major difference between Adsense and Chitika in my Adsense compared with Chitika breakdown.
     
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  17. bluegill_catcher

    bluegill_catcher Active Member

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    #37
    Yes....... but some of us may be stuck with ol adsense, like it or NOT :(
    Chitika is hard to get accepted in, I tried to totaly different domains with different subjects and both got the same ol rejection emails..... Adsense approved both of my sites. I am still waiting for yahoo's program :)
    ------------------------------

    Thank you for your online submission. We reviewed your website:
    http://www.XXXXXXXXXXX and your application for eMiniMalls Paid
    Listings service was rejected.

    While we do not disclose the exact reasons why your website was
    rejected, we can tell you that some of the things that we take under
    consideration are:
    - Integrity of the site.
    - Traffic to the site.
    - Robustness of content.
    - Whether we think our product will work well on your site.
    - Privacy policies.
    - Ability to contact the site webmaster.
    - Adult content.
    - Language.

    Thank you for your interest in eMiniMalls.

    Regards,
    Chitika Customer Service
     
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    #38
    I'm sorry mate, I know it must seem like salt in the wound each time I make a post. You have a PM.
     
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    #39
    Smart pricing is a feature that determines the value of a click.
     
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    #40
    Hmm, that's probably why! My website do get double digit CTR but low impressions. I just realised that my income-per-click is much lower than most people here. I'm sick of looking at 50 clicks with $2 income total :(

    I guess I'm at mercy of Google in this case.
     
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