Cut and paste a chat does not mean and does not prove that they are unlimited, I am looking forward to see you use some pocket change to prove what you had said.
No worries, I am doing it. I have uploaded 9GB so far since my last post.. I have a rar folder full of family videos they total 1:45 mins and 1.46GB each. Don't make your self look stupid now, just because you can't doesn't hostgator can't.... just stop talking, and let me do proving..
Not just cutting and pasting a chat log, it's more than that.. We're talking about a real registered company here. Everyone has to talk bad about hostgator just because they are the #1 leading web hosting provider.. If they promised me in a chat that is unlimited then they will keep their promise, I have a chat log to prove this, your not dealing with some reseller.. people can open a law suit against hostgator, they have laws to go by. Unless I use more then the allowed cpu and memory usage the "Space" is unlmited, I can use it much as I want... They have millions of servers! They buy a 1TB hardrive for $50 bucks and stick it in that server, and there you go.. after an hour or two hostgator has covered their loss for that hardrive.. from profits... I'm not going to argue with you guys, hate on hostgator all you want! There's a real reason why hostgator is #1. Their customer support is the best I've ever experienced.. They truly have 24/7 customer support. And yes they can afford to provide you with 1 2 3 or 100TB of disk space if you need it! Hostgator hosts millions of customers, they makes trillions a month, what makes you think they can't give you the space you need? My computer it self has 3TB of disk space and 8GB of ram and it only costed me $300 bucks. Here is the funny thing: It's funny how everyone talks about hostgator, and how their unlimited disk space offer is the biggest scam in the world yet everyone buys from them.. isn't that funny? Hostgator probably hosts the largest number of shared hosting account in the whole web hosting industry.
Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! An enterprise-grade hard drive for $50? 3TB of disk space and 8GB of RAM for $300? Hosting servers cost thousands of dollars, with enterprise-grade RAID arrays, ECC Registered RAM, etc. Hostgator makes trillions of dollars a month? You're out of your mind. Welcome to the hosting industry! You clearly have a lot to learn. Good luck to you.
$300 I paid for my desktop computer, which is far way from being a web server. I know how they cost I don't need you to tell me.
Obviously you do need me to tell you. You said that HG can just spend $50 for another hard drive, and inferred that somehow they could build an entire server for $300. That isn't the case at all.
Hosting requires enterprise grade hardware and server racks. You also have to factor in bandwidth and other costs.
What the hell are you talking about? That's not what I said, servers cost any where from 1000-4000 each.. $300, is what I paid for my desktop a few months back where I clearly mentioned it was far way from being a web server.. You have mentioned earlier that you have been in the web hosting industry since I was a little kid, I believe you I am only 20 years old but take a look at your self right now being the immature one, why don't you just be the grown up out of all of us and just top arguing? That's what a real grownup would do, if I am wrong or right.. doesn't matter, the fact that you're getting so frustrated and putting so much effort into something so stupid makes you look like a little kid. Be the grownup and just drop it.. Wish you the best of luck to you and your business.
You don't list those figures ANYWHERE. It's not in a single one of your posts. It does matter. It absolutely matters. You claimed for 2 pages now that "unlimited" hosting is possible. You also claimed that HG has millions of servers and makes trillions of dollars per month. ROFL! We're all patiently waiting for you to fill the hard drive's server, and see if HG will put a new hard drive in the server for you. I'm doing a test as we speak, as well. I've uploaded about 15 gigs and managed to raise the hard drive usage from 15 to 20%. At those figures, about 250-300GB and the hard drive will be completely full. We'll see if they add a new hard drive, for the $0.01 I paid this month. Maybe they'll provision a new $1500 server just for me! I'll put a TB or two on the server today and see just how unlimited it is.
Will do! I thought you were going to do the same thing, but I knew better. Doubt you ever even purchased an account over there.
All this talk about unlimited disk space, when it's one of the easiest things in the world to provide. I'd be much more concerned about relative performance and the amount of CPU, RAM and disk performance available which, at the moment, are the real limitations. Diskspace is easy. A couple of these - http://www.supermicro.nl/products/chassis/4U/417/SC417E16-RJBOD1.cfm - will take care of any worries about the amount of diskspace being provided. They're only 4 U in size. Add in a few hardware RAID controllers and iSCSI interfaces, and you provide virtually unlimited diskspace (more than anyone could fill up in a lifetime of trying) for your hosting operation. I've no idea about the price, but for a company like Hostgator they'll be able to afford them no problem. With the move towards cloud storage and virtualization technologies this sort of storage medium is becoming easier and easier to deploy. You're no longer limited by the confines of single servers and the need to update some disks or the ability to fill-up the disks of that single server. The storage cloud, with failover and automatic mirroring over several pieces of hardware, is the future, and the ability to provide as much diskspace as anyone could ever need is a reality. With systems that can scale like this, the amout of diskspace used by a single user is no longer a genuine concern. It becomes practically impossible to fill these arrays up, and no single user who is storing web site files, will ever - EVER - fill these up. It's all very well talking theoretically about "what if I upload 15TB, will they allow it?". The average user isn't going to be able to upload that amount of data in their whole lifetime, and if the only restriction is that the files uploaded must be used by the web site (a reasonable restriction - I'm sure most people would agree) then what web site is 15TB in size? Google or Facebook might be (I'm sure I don't know), but is Google going to run their whole system from a single storage array and expect the kind of performance they need? On the other hand, if someone has nothing better to do that attempt to upload this number of files just to prove a point then I'd respectfully suggest that you need to get a life and find something more constructive to do with your time because it won't make a jot of difference and no-one will really care.
No such thing as unlimited hosting,they may use that statement to grab your attention and get you onboard but trust me in the small print they will have many clauses that they can and will use to get out of that initial statement of 'UNLIMITED'.
Yep, that's a common statement made in the argument against "unlimited". However, what everyone usually then fails to say is that ALL hosting providers have very similar clauses. It's not some sort of conspiracy by "unlimited" providers to introduce a limit by stealth, but a common method used by all hosting providers to make sure no-one uses more than their fair-share of other resources that are limited such as CPU performance or available RAM. In almost all cases these common restrictions have no direct impact on, say, the amount of diskspace or bandwidth used, so it's a bit on a non-argument really. In fact, it could be said that anyone making such an incorrect and unqualified statement is being just as misleading as they claim the "unlimited" providers are being. Other statements like "there's no such thing as unlimited disks" or there's "no such thing as unlimited bandwidth" ergo unlimited can't exist, are every bit as incorrect, unqualified, misleading, and missing the point. I've been over this many (many many) times in previous posts but I'm not out to change the world. I see the same people make the same mistakes and unqualified statements in their quest to "out" the unlimited providers, despite providing solid reasons why unlimited IS possible. I've also made the point that many of those arguing against unlimited also provide unlimited aspects to their hosting plans - something's not right there when using their own logic their hosting plans aren't possible either...are they intentionally misleading their customers?. Obviously, the application of logic isn't gelling and they keep repeating the same mantra. Nothing is going to make some people change their minds, despite all the evidence to the contrary, but that's OK. If we were all the same it would be a pretty boring world to live in. I just wish they had stronger argument about why unlimited isn't possible. Before I get attacked, I don't like the "unlimited" offers being made. I think they are misleading, but not for the same reasons posted on the anti-unlimited threads. These other reasons include things such as consumer misunderstandings and lack of clarity, but this isn't the place for discussing these.
Unlimited is just a marketing scam. I do agree that with cloud storage, huge drives, etc., that providers can offer a heck of a lot of space, but it's still not unlimited. There is absolutely a limit. Ever wonder why Verizon Wireless no longer offers "unlimited" data on their plans? They were sued. They were sued twice in fact, and lost. Same with AT&T. Sprint? I'm guessing they just haven't been sued yet. Unfortunately, nobody cares about the web hosting industry. All it is going to take is one major lawsuit against HG or Bluehost, or some other big name "unlimited" provider, however, and we'll see things quickly change. It's not a matter of being "virtually unlimited" or even about asking how many users will actually come close to using that much data. It's a matter of false advertising, and not being able to provide truly unlimited services. Anyway, since I'm sure everybody is wondering how my experiment turned out. It looks like the limit to the "unlimited" hosting, at least on HG is around 63GB of disk space. Incredibly surprising even to me, since it should be possible to cram way more than that on an account. Not sure if I hit some sort of server issue, ran the hard drive out of space, or what happened, but right around that area, the entire server crashed big time. Going to continue experimenting in a bit, as that surely can't be the limit. I'm guessing something just went very wrong on the server.
We've discussed this before. Why would you need an unlimited amount of storage space to offer unlimited diskspace to a client? All you need to have is as much diskspace as they need, and then more if they want it, and they will never be able to reach a limit. No limit = without limits = unlimited. Let me give you the Oxford dictionary definition: "not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent:". It doesn't mean you have to have unlimtied amounts available at a single moment in time, you just need to be able to continue to supply disk space as needed. But that isn't unlimited, and that's you assuming there is a limit...without actually proving there is. I'm not sure what that has to do with it. The offered unlimtied data access, but they set limits on the amount of data that could be accessed through a fair-use policy and then billed people for "excess data transferred". This was clearly a problem as they weren't offering "unlimited" in the first place. Unlimited hosting plans don't come with a "unlimited diskspace" offer which is then rescinded in the small print saying if you use too much then you'll be restricted or billed (well some do, but that's another story). Other restrictions may apply e.g. amount of CPU usage, but they aren't offering unlimited CPU resources. The restriction on CPU resources does not directly affect the ability to use diskspace. I doubt it, unless there is some real limit that they aren't telling you about. I can't see a legitimate site, complying with the terms & conditions, being able to use up that much space anyway, so it kinda becomes a moot point. We have upteen servers and in terms of diskspace used by web sites and databases it's a tiny fraction of the total amount of diskspace available. I've never - ever - seen one of our web servers with more than a few percentage points of available diskspace used. But that's just your opinion. Where's the proof? How do you know they can't offer unlimited diskspace or at least provide everything their customers need and be able to provide more when required? Are you just basing this on your own hosting set-up, or do you have intimate knowledge of the Hostgator infrastructure to know what you are saying is true? If there's ever likely to be a lawsuit I'd say it was more likely to be as the result of people libelling other companies (companies with deep pockets) by calling them scammers and liars with no proof and just an opinion, than someone suing a genuine hosting provider with their own infrastructure and datacentres over unlimited diskspace offers. That's the problem with decrying unlmited hosts. Where's the proof? Do you know that for a fact? Your kind of answering your own question when you say 63GB can't be the limit. Since your account hasn't been closed for excessive disk usage it's probably safe to assume that you haven't reached any limits yet, so you're not proving anything yet, except your opinion. I'll admit that there are companies out there who say "unlimited" and don't mean it. There's companies with 1 or 2 servers where it would be impossible to provide such a service. However, there are big providers out there, with massive infrastructures of servers and storage networks, and the very very occassional customer who uses massive amounts of diskspace will be such a tiny percentage that it will be of no issue to these companies. The vast majority of customers who use virtually no resources are more than compensating those who do.