What if 20 million illegal aliens vacted America?

The US has two systems of immigration - Legal and illegal. Why conform with legal immigration if you can do what you want illegally?

 

Correct me if im wrong but doesnt Ron Paul want to bring our soldiers back home and deply them on all our borders.

 

The US has plenty of troops to deploy on the borders.

In any case 40% of illegal aliens are people that overstay their visas.

 

in my openion you too an illegal alien!

what you doing in native indians land?!

 

The Indians sold us New York for $24 in trinkets and beads

 

I would have paid $100 for all of new york to those natives

 

The call by Huckabee and others to deport 12,000,000 illegal immigrants is simply economic suicide. The same for anyone who suggests fining businesses. It would create a depression (not just a minor recession) in short order. Let's reduce productivity by 10-15%. Let's reduce consumer spending by 7-8%. Shut down hundreds of thousands of businesses who could not get workers they need.

Who will pick the crops?

Or do any of a hundred jobs that Americans don't want to do?

It would drive up labor costs and create inflation. It would be a disaster of Biblical proportions.

The best thing to do would be to secure the borders, then find out who has a criminal record and deport them. Get the rest documented. Then if you were smart, you'd increase the number of immigrants allowed.

Social Security and Medicare are a pyramid scheme timebomb. Within ten years you are going to need even more immigrants to replace retiring boomers, as well as to pay into social security and Medicare programs. You are going to be competing with Europe for those immigrants. You need to get a head start.

 

hmmm....then i'd fleet to Cuba

 

I think you are way off on this, look at the amount of money we spend supporting these illegal aliens. As i have mentioned before i dont know where you live, but its hard in my town to even get one of those jobs you say no one wants, Look at the unemployment in this country, trust me jobs loss by the illegals will be jobs gained by Americans.

And as Bogart mentioned, one of the reasons those jobs are "unwanted" is because of the low wage that comes with them, with illegals (which are willing to work for nothing) gone business's will be forced to raise the wages.

And you say business will stop running. Why? because they hired illegals? than they deserve to be shut down.

Legitimate business do not hire illegal aliens.

 

The problem with you is that you have an entitlement mentality. Friend, the world owes you nothing. The sooner you realize this the better it will be for you.

As far your idea that businesses deserve to be shut down, we're talking hundreds of thousands of businesses in agriculture and manufacturing. These are the basis of the economy. You are gravely mistaken about the implications of this. This would quickly cause a contraction and a depression of the worst kind considering the financial situation the US economy is now in.

Many agricultural businesses will simply move to Mexico and already are. The manufacturing jobs will move to China and then there will be no jobs for immigrants or Americans.

Now in the original article referred to in this thread, the tax savings of getting rid of immigrants is pathetically miniscule compared to the additional GDP created by these 20 million people which very conservatively would be 500 billion dollars of extra GDP created by there work.

If you want to be paid more money get some better skills that are in demand but in short supply. That's how economics works.

Here's a quote from Maddox:

 

Illegals are willing to work for low wages because they receive substantial social benefits and welfare from the government. In many cases the social benefits collected by the illegals are greater than wages earned.

The costs of illegal immigration are over 1 trillion dollars since 1996

http://immigrationcounters.com/

 

Invaders moaning about being invaded... priceless

 

Sold us? Dont you mean the immigrants?

 

Ok, I just want to comment on number 4 for now. If we give amnesty to the illegals, that are working illegal, whats that going to say to the others in Mexico, thinking about hopping the border? Perhaps they will think "Holy smoke Jose, if we go to America, and find someone to hire us, those gringos will let us stay. lets go"

Just my reaction to that comment. If you forgive the illegals that are here, and help to legalize them, your just inviting others to come, after all why not, we will give them amnesty anyway if they get jobs, what do they have to lose.

I am not OK, with letting these law breakers slide just because they offer a cheap service. They have broken the laws by crossing the borders illegally, and should be held accountable for their actions. Thats what America is about, no man is above the law.

I thought Ron Paul supporters were for the constitution. Doesn't it seem a little unconstitutional to let some break the laws, just because they offer a service?

 

I think, its all a big mess, and maybe, mass round-up isnt the cure, but i do feel something should be done. I dont think we should continue to let it happen.

 

Not to add anything substantive at this juncture, just to toss out a framework for this incredibly complex debate: I think there are two issues on most people's plate.

1. Whether it is an economic "drain" on the economy, or whether it is a net positive; and

2. A law and order issue, which rests on two things, itself:

-by definition, illegals are lawbreakers, and should be deported because of it; and

-illegals carry with them, intrinsically, a higher proportion of crimebreaking individuals, and so should be deported because of it.

 

nice to see we can agree on something