What if 20 million illegal aliens vacted America?

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    What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America_


    Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a
    column titled, 'Mexican Visitor's Lament' -- 10/25/07.

    She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while
    visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, 'They (illegal aliens) pay rent,
    buy groceries, buy clothes... What Happens to your country's economy if 20
    million people go away?' That's a good question - it deserves an answer.
    Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration
    stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America?
    The answers may surprise you!

    & nbsp; In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico,
    it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems,
    bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner,
    safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English
    became the dominant language again.

    In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and
    grand-kids - would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico. That would save
    Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually
    in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration
    costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

    Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the
    terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver
    Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered
    death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

    Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent
    drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students
    speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from
    our gridlocked cities in Colorado.

    Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working
    poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

    In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State
    back to America, the rule of law, and English.

    In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
    schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free
    experience.

    &nbs p; If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home' --

    If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would
    return to the rule of law Employers would hire legal American citizens at a
    living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they
    wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401
    Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for
    local, state and city coffers.

    No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion
    in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that
    degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools
    would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in
    ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

    &nbs p; We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of
    more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who
    distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

    In cities like LA., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would
    vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from
    Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

    Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded
    highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American
    deaths by illegal aliens!

    America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get
    rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home
    countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that mon ey
    untaxed, which further drains America's economy - which currently suffers an
    $8.7 trillion debt.

    At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country,
    costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in
    California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being
    bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.

    Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases
    rampant in our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

    Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and
    grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns
    of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our
    greenhouse gases.

    Ove r one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and
    along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what
    the New York Times called, 'colonias' or new neighborhoods. Trouble is,
    those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty,
    filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without
    sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation.
    The New York Times reported them to be America's new 'Third World' inside
    our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect
    20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them personally in Texas
    and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing
    our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico.

    We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own
    countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million
    people into our country legally more than all other countries combined
    annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy
    within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.
    It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our
    way of life.

    Interesting Statistics. Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should
    vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they
    are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

    1. $11 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare
    to illegal aliens. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance
    programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal
    aliens. http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal
    aliens. http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary
    school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
    English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    5. $17 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the
    American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars PER DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal
    aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for
    welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are
    caused by the illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
    two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
    children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    &n bsp; 11. During the year 2005, there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
    that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
    terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine,
    and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.
    http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of
    mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost
    of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/publications.php?b=deportation

    13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances
    back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex
    crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!'
    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

    If this doesn't bother you, then just delete the message.
    Otherwise, forward this to everyone you know!
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    money would stop being wired to mexico and more americans could get jobs....
     
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    Is this wishful thinking or do you have a proposition of how to move 20 million people out of this country?
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of
    mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost
    of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/publications.php?b=deportation
     
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    Are they counting the fact that for every 1 immigrant that they deport there is 5 more that come right back in due to our broken borders???
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure if they dedicate the money and time to deport, they will inturn enforce the borders
     
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    You sure of that? You trust the efficiency of the government so much huh...
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    I think if they have half of brain they would realize this issue, besides, whether they did or not, its still better than the alternative, do you not agree?

    Also if they know we are deporting them by the millions i think the 1:5 ratio would change, they may think twice about crossing the border
     
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    Look the solution is very simple. What can an illegal immigrant do when they have no money?

    I predict the following:
    1. They will commit crimes and be caught, and be deported (the bad people)
    2. They will run out of savings and move back where they came from.
    3. They will work illegally.

    The following might work. If you impose heavy fines on those that employ illegals, you are taking away the incentive to hire them. If they do not find work here, they will move back or will not move to this country illegally in the first place.
    Another scenario which I believe is very probably, the US economy will get so bad that we will slide into 3rd world status, it will be so nasty that no person wants to move here anyways, legally or illegally.
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, the point of this thread is simply to point out what america is paying just to support illegal aliens, you mention 3rd world status, that article explains that the borders have already reached that status, all along the borders of texas, are whats being called colonias, which are simply illegal alien colonies, that are living in a 3rd world habitat.

    How its done may need some adjusting, the fact that it needs to be done is what is important.
     
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    The illegals know they can come here and get jobs. Part of the plan to stop them should include taking away their incentive to come here.

    Much of the problem is that U.S. companies still knowingly hire illegals.


    The way you stop that is by:

    1. Letting companies know that they will be fined out of existance and their officers held responsible if they are caught hiring illegals.
    2. Offer U.S. citizenship to any illegal and their family who are the first to report a company that is hiring illegals.

    Problem solved.
     
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    Who would do all the crap jobs that they do? I've never seen an illegal doing a job that anyone wants to do anyway.
     
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    Well, it's wishful thinking so you might as well get used to it. More people will come in to replace those deported anyway.
     
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    right now my wife is out trying to find a "crap" job because she cant get anything in her field, and we are hurting seriously financially. If the crap jobs were available they would be filled by the many Americans that are in desperate need of some kind of income right now.
     
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    your wife wants to be a bus boy? your wife wants to clean hotel rooms? i just don't buy it. people act like these illegals are taking jobs that anyone would want. if you are really so desperate to have your wife making min. wage (or less...) perhaps you should spend less time in P&R and get to working on your online biz ;)
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    You dont even know me how could you say that, I'm at work right now, the economy sucks, I'm lucky i still have my job, at home, i operate a graphic design business which is also lacking. Yes my wife wants to be a bus boy, my wife wants an income to help support our two kids. If you would like i can give you the number to Chick-fil-A and you can ask them if they received an application for Sarah Bosher.

    I dont know who you think you are, but I'm glad your above being a bus boy, or a maid. You should thank God. Because in these days a job no matter what it is, is a blessing.

    The fact is i do not want these things of my wife, because the economy is what it is, i need this for my wife.
     
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    Stopping the subsidies and cracking down on illegal employement will make a lot of the illegals go back on their own.

    The US does have a system of legal immigration allowing 1 million legal immigrants per year.

    The problem is that you never can have immigration reform when you can't send anyone back.
     
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    If you think the problem is illegal aliens taking these crap jobs, you are just mistaken. The problem is the economy in general. Instead of fighting over crap jobs we should have more good jobs in America. Jobs are being shipped overseas so corporations can make more money and CEOs can add an extra million to their salary. I just think all of this hatred of illegal aliens is missing the whole point. I find it interesting considering your concerns that you seem to support candidates for president who want to continue that status quo when it comes to the economy instead of anyone who wants to do anything about it.

    Removing illegals will not improve the economy, it will just mean more bad jobs for people who mostly don't want those bad jobs. Removing illegals is not really feasible. It's just a ... it's an issue that politicians can use to get you to vote for them when they are not really going to do anything about anything. Don't you see? They are controlling you with this "hot button" issue. And I guarantee you that no matter who is elected, they will not do anything about the illegal alien issue. Why? On the right, it's good for big business. On the left, it's inhumane.
     
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    Your logic is ridiculous, a "crap job" is better than "no job" If the Americans that were unemployed now had these "crap jobs" the economy would not be as bad, than when you add in all the revenue you are saving by not supporting the illegals, it helps even more. What planet do you live on?

    They are illegal, they arent supposed to be here anyway

    Its our duty to enforce the constitution ask your buddy Ron Paul if laws should be ignored
     
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    When the population of illegals expands by another 20 million who is going to pay the healthcare and education expenses?
     
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