Multiple submissions of the same page are considered spam, and it's worse if they are being sneaky by submitting different versions of the same page... but is submitting the same SITE multiple times really against the guidelines? If it is, then how are deep links even an option? How are sites with multiple listings even in the ODP at all? According to the guildelines, adding a several pages within the same site is perfectly fine, and according to the actions of editors seemingly encouraged! The ADD page, which is what submitters are supposed to read is not nearly as clear on the matter as the rest of the guidelines, which say that deeplinking is not the norm, but that deeplinking is certainly an option! If it's an option, and submitters are told to read the guidelines, then, erm, submitting the same page is bad, submitting several pages to the single best categories for the individual pages, even from the same site perfectly acceptable! Want to say I am lying? Go ahead... Want to say I am being misleading? Go ahead... But please please please please please please please back up your side of the story with something more then just personal attacks against me. I'll back up my side... http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/spamming.html Spamming is explained there, and erm, deep links are OK accordingly. In some cases, sites will be deep-linked. In these cases, the deep links should offer content that is extremely useful to a particular category, or the content should be particularly unique. Deeplinking should be the exception rather than the rule. http://directory.domaintools.com/internet-statistics/dmoz-listings.php?p=1 hundreds of sites with multiple listings (in many cases they even list the same page, which heh, is SPAM) but should show that deep links are OK, and that submitting them are fine as well... what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Right?
The part of the guidlines you quote is directions for editors it is headed err when I was last taught to read that did NOT mean suggestion guidelines. Suggestion guidelines for those who wish to suggest a site are here http://www.dmoz.org/add.html headed and they say As I have explained many times before We do have multiple listings, we do have deeplinking but as is said in that same page of guidelines I quoted above It is at editor discretion. How does it happen if you can't submit deeplinks you ask. Because if an editor on reviewing the site decides that the content is right for deeplinking they will so do and when seeking to build up a category an editor will discover sections of sites that they feel will enhance the category they are working on. Moral of the story, if you don't want to risk being branded as a spammer, don't suggest more than once and don't suggest deeplinks. If we want deeplinks we, the editorial community, will find them.
Thanks for pointing to the ADD page... which is something you should call it when telling people to read the guidelines, as according to the ODPs site, the guidelines are what the editors follow. Sites with overlapping and repetitive content are not helpful to users of the directory? I'll keep that in mind the next time I bring up the 20,000 syndicated pages from Topix *rolls eyes* I'll also keep that in mind when discussing any topic concerning deeplinks... a deep link according to that is not allowed at all because the SITE is listed, in fact, any category with more then one listing is breaking the guidelines, as that pretty much covers similar content (which is an odd thing to put into the guidelines of a site that groups things by the very thing they are not allowing)! Though do note, that part of the guidelines does say URL whichs leads me to believe the rest of that part of the guidelines should likely read PAGE rather then SITE, as that fits in line more with the use of URL and that part about Editor Discretion you so kindly mentioned.
I don't mind if you want to play silly games, but I am concerned that people who want to suggest a site might just believe what you have written. I say again, deeplinks or multiple listings exist in the directory because editors have the discretion to so list. Suggesting multiple listings or deeplinks runs the risk of the site being seen as spam and rejected as such. If a site has a bricks and mortor base then it can be included in topical and regional, terms and conditions apply. I did you ignored what is said. End of conversation.
Where is your proof. "because I said so" is NOT a basis to stand upon. I speak from shown examples of multiple listings, not to mention I've linked up and quoted the guidelines and the add page. Where was you proof again? You can't even prove you are an editor! You did link up the guidelines that say "Do not submit URLs that contain only the same or similar content as other sites you may have listed in the directory" but really, two pages NEVER share the same URL... so again, no leg to stand on. You can't even prove you are an editor! If it's good for the end user, then it should all be good....right? Or is that supposed to be if it's good for the editor it's good for the end user? Do tell us...
Stop playing silly games. You quoted from advice to editors about how they list and tried to imply it had implications of how one could suggest a site. It does not. I pointed out to you the guidance for suggestors which is what suggestors should live by, offering a suggestion and its guidelines and being an editor and the guidelines for them are different. You may not like that but they are. I have also said that if we have deeplinks it is at our discretion and quoted the guidelines for that too. I did not say it, the guidelines clearly say what I posted. That really is the end of me in the conversation.
What you posted has URL and SITE as the same thing, so that's misleading in itself. I gave examples of sites with hundreds of listings, the add page (which is the ONLY page the suggester needs to read according to you) and the guidelines themselves. How much more clear can you get? Suggesting the same page multiple times can get you banned for spam, as it should be. Suggesting different pages should not...and if it should, then what I said in my last post holds true... Whats good for the editor is good for the end user Deny it all you want too, but that's exactly what it's looking like from your argument at this point.
Editors have discretion to list deeplinks. We do not invite deeplinks to be suggested. That seems clear, seems to me to be logical, we have enough suggestions and to suggest deeplinks would magnify that incrediby, if editors after reviewing a site want to use it for deeplinks they can and will have seen any potential for doing so. As you read in the suggest a site guidelines anything and everything, including which sites we list, is at editorial discretion. You might not like that, but you can apply for reinstatement any time you wish and if granted then you can try and change the mind of the body editor, until then it remains our policy. End of.
that pretty much means that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING above the part about editorial discretion can just be completely and totally ignored because it's not about the rules, guidelines, suggestions, or anything other then what the editor wants to add... right? I mean, you disagreed when I said that a site could be REJECTED if it is suggested in the wrong category and you said it would be moved... even though that is NOT what the guidelines say WILL happen, as REJECTED is most certainly in the wording of that add page you pointed too. You also claim that the ODP is not a listing service, yet the add page calls it one. Now you are saying that deep links can not be suggested even though they are not against the rules and not forbidden according to the add page... so again, another example of how the add page only needs that one paragraph. Have a meta editor check... I have applied.
Can we assume you were not accepted if it was months ago? Your comment above seemed to imply to me and it seems to Snooks that the application was pending.
I dunno... isn't there a form email for rejection? I know that would be editors are treated FAR FAR FAR better then submitters and site suggestions...
You know as well as I do that I never get anywhere near editor applications and re-applications so I have no idea of how they respond. You can ask in RZ.