What does Pay Pal mean?

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by TheSyndicate, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. #1
    It is PayPal's standard practice to dispute unwarranted chargebacks. Using
    the information you provided, we are in the process of disputing this
    chargeback with the buyer's card issuer.

    Because the card issuer has reversed this charge, PayPal is temporarily
    holding an amount equal to the disputed funds until this matter is
    resolved. If the card issuer decides the case in your favor, the funds will
    be available in your PayPal account.

    The credit card company has charged PayPal a settlement fee for this
    chargeback. In accordance with the terms of the PayPal User Agreement, we
    have debited your PayPal account to cover this fee.

    Date 	 Type 	 Status 	 Details 	 Gross 	 Fee 	 Net
     Oct. 2, 2008 	Payment From xxxx 	 Completed 	 Details 	$169.00 USD  	-$6.89 USD  	$162.11 USD 
    
    Related Transactions
     Date 	 Type 	 Status 	 Details 	 Gross 	 Fee 	 Net
     Nov. 4, 2008 	The funds that were placed on temporary hold are now available for use 	 Removed 	 Details 	-$169.00 USD  	$6.89 USD  	-$162.11 USD 
     Dec. 1, 2008 	Update to Reversal 	 Canceled 	 Details 	$162.11 USD  	$0.00 USD  	$162.11 USD 
     Dec. 1, 2008 	Chargeback Settlement 	 Completed 	 ... 	-$169.00 USD  	-$10.00 USD  	-$179.00 USD 
    PHP:

     
    TheSyndicate, Dec 1, 2008 IP
  2. tobycoke

    tobycoke Well-Known Member

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    The buyer used a credit card to fund his PayPal purchase from you.
    He then filed a chargeback with his credit card company - likely claiming that it was a fraudulent transaction or he never received the product.
    PayPal froze the funds while they investigated. From your first paragraph it appears they gave you an opportunity to give your side and your evidence. They eventually approved the chargeback, returned the $169 to the buyer's credit card and billed you a $10 chargeback fee.
     
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  3. NetworkTown.Net

    NetworkTown.Net Well-Known Member

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    Couldnt be explained better ;)

    This happens alot theres very little you can do when it does happen to you. The best way to protect your self is either dont accept cc payments just refund the money asap and dont send the goods then ask the buyer to send money from its paypal funds atleast this way you will know the buyer wont do a chargeback. even if he does try and claim it back there would be a paypal dispute of 28 days which will give you enough time to provide evidence ;)

    Good luck.
     
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  4. TheSyndicate

    TheSyndicate Prominent Member

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    They also wrote this

    What to Do Next
    -----------------------------------

    To learn more about how to respond to this chargeback, visit the Resolution
    Center and click "Resolution Center tutorials".

    If you have additional information you’d like to upload or fax to us,
    please provide it as soon as possible. Just log in to your PayPal account,
    go to the Resolution Center, and click the “Details” link next to this
    case. For faster processing, choose “Upload files.”

    We understand that you may not have been expecting this chargeback. If this
    chargeback has made your PayPal account balance negative, please reimburse
    us by adding funds to your account or by sending a check to the following
    address:


    I call this a service and i have proof that he got it and i got right one time before. But i do no know if they look at old cases
     
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  5. wptheme

    wptheme Well-Known Member

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    This is among the reason why sometimes Pay pal sucks
     
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  6. TheSyndicate

    TheSyndicate Prominent Member

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    Well yes it is kind of unfair when i deliver products and do not get things. Is that a crime? To get the things and ask for a chargeback
     
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  7. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    I'm pretty sure its theft, as you are providing them a good/service in exchange for payment, but you never receive the payment. Do you have all that persons details on file? You could take everything you have and call that persons local police department (as that is where the theft occurred) and see if they have violated any laws, if so, they will require you to fax them a copy for evidence of the theft. Is it the second time you have got a chargeback from that person? If so, just ban his IP and email address from your site. Although, I do not know where you are from so I can not answer that further, best thing is contact that persons local police department and report it.
     
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  8. TheSyndicate

    TheSyndicate Prominent Member

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    Yes i have his details. All of it so i think i will. I am pretty bored with people using PayPal as a shop but not pay.
     
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  9. dscurlock

    dscurlock Prominent Member

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    personally, I think a waste of time. You are filing a report with the police that probably would lead no where. The "Police" have real world-crime issues they have to deal with...I just can not see the police wasting time on civil issues, and following internet trails based on he did, she did rumors based over small amounts of $$$ - get realisic... There are known world wide spammers that make millions from spam, why are they free? Do you think the police will be so concerned about a few $$ lost on paypal? the police have better things to concentrate their time on. it is one thing catching a robber on video robbing a store, if he is lucky, he might even land on the 6pm news for 3 seconds...how many people that use paypal to steal do you see on TV, or in jail?

    some of your real crime is comitted by paypal...you know every time you use pay services there is a risk, but people continue to use them anyway...you have to determine overall if the risk is worth the reward.
     
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  10. TheSyndicate

    TheSyndicate Prominent Member

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    Well in this case its the Thai police and cyber crime it is 5 years in the bunker in Thailand and he would be arrested when he come to see his Thai girlfriend. So no i do not think this one is a waste of time :)
     
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  11. john14789

    john14789 Peon

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    Paypal is really a waste of time. Don't bother with it and get yourself a real merchant account.
     
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    If Google release adsense payments through checkout , it will be the final nail in Paypal's coffin ..
     
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  13. TheSyndicate

    TheSyndicate Prominent Member

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    Why? Google does not use Pay Pal now you do not think they can live on ebay? Anyway we all know paypal suck we do not need more post about that ok.
     
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  14. jiggymehta

    jiggymehta Peon

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    I think its the same case with most of the payment gateways..paypal is just under scanner as its one of the most popular ones out there..also, the risk of chargebacks is always there in an online transaction and a lot of times there is no proof which can be used to prove anything..
     
    jiggymehta, Dec 2, 2008 IP