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What does net neutrality mean for web developers

Discussion in 'General Business' started by macstux, Dec 15, 2017.

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    What does net neutrality mean for one businesses and web developers?

    Love some feedback
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  2. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    and for hosting companies?
    how will American hosting companies reassure customers that international visitors won't have their user experience compromised?

    As for developers and designers... I'd think twice about using one who is living in the US.
     
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    So stay away from US hosting haha feel bad for the us hosting companies
     
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    It helps to first understand what Net Neutrality is. It will NOT effect web hosting companies at all. It's perfectly fine to get a US web host.

    Let me explain... back in the days of Napster/Limewire/Kazaa Internet Service Providers (not web hosts) were slowing down and throttling consumers who used services and web sites that consumed additional bandwidth. Some ISP's were even slowing down users who visited video web sites. Certain people were given different internet speeds based on the content they view. The government saw this as discriminatory and Net Neutrality was born. It was a bill passed that ensures every internet user is treated the same. Equal.

    Now that Net Neutrality has been repealed Internet Service Providers (Not web hosts) have the ability to treat customers differently based on the content they view/use. What does this mean? At the moment nothing as nothing is different. However, in theory, you COULD see Internet Service Providers start bundling packages like Cable TV companies. For instance, to make up for the bandwidth consumed via Netflix video streaming your ISP may offer a Media Streaming package for streaming Netflix Videos and Music. They could offer a Gamer package for those who use XBox and Playstation. You could even see an Adult package for those who like to browse adult web sites. This is all in theory.. as of right now nothing has changed and no announcements has been made.

    You have to keep in mind in America we have tons of options. If one ISP bundles packages another one may not to take advantage of the cancellations. It most likely won't be as bad as social media makes it out to be. But in any case as we approach the 5g age there probably will be a need for additional money to advance the internet and it's technology so it may not be a bad thing.

    As you can see....this has NOTHING to do with web hosts. You may want to read up on it to understand it if it's important to you.
     
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    NetStar Notable Member

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    Why? It has nothing to do with Web Hosts.
     
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    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    It has everything to do with them.

    People are talking about the net being throttled unless the site has power and dollars to ensure they get a bigger share of the pipeline.
    So if someone from England tries to access my site in the US it's throttled as it moves from it's US datacentre to the international border and from there on its business as usual.
    If I hosted in South America the site would be fast the whole way to England and only throttled for US users once the ones and zeros hit the US part of the internet.

    Why would I host my smaller site in the US if that was going to happen?
    It makes sense that I'd move my site to a neutral country.
    If a significant percentage of sites in the US value their non-US traffic they'll move too.
    How much business can a small hosting company afford to lose?
     
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    Web Hosts are not part of Net Neutrality. Why? Because each customer subscribed to a web hosting service IS treated differently depending on the demands of bandwidth and system resources. The only protection is to have dedicated resources but you still pay for your bandwidth. Net Neutrality in place or not will not affect web hosting customers in America or anywhere else.

    The discussion of throttling is on the ISP end. But everyone is missing the point here... Repealing net netruality has nothing to do with censorship and deliberately slowing down your internet speed lol.. The ISP's are not looking to bother their customers *rolls eyes*. They are looking for more money because they are claiming they will need billions of dollars to build infrastructures across the US to support the next phase and generation of high speed internet access. Something that other countries will certainly have trouble doing.

    Web Hosts CAN block traffic from other countries right now. Do they? No. Why? Because the customer can leave and go to one of the MILLIONS of other web host providers.

    Just read about net neutrality to understand it better. And don't believe all of the hype going around about ISP's doing stupid shit like blocking political articles etc. Lot of the conspiracy theories of what could happen won't because 1. we have laws against it still and 2. as customers we have options to go to another internet service provider lol
     
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    LOL, the tempest in a teapot continues to roll along. From a practical standpoint here is the chronology:

    Internet started without Net Neutrality (many dates can be applied here, but certainly it existed in 1990)
    Internet doing just fine in 2000 without Net Neutrality
    Internet doing just fine in 2010 without Net Neutrality
    Internet doing just fine in 2014 without Net Neutrality
    Net Neutrality decreed by FCC bureaucrats in 2015...nothing changed, Internet still doing just fine
    Net Neutrality stopped in 2017...nothing changed, Internet still doing just fine

    Another fact: there is no other country in the world that has established Net Neutrality rules. There are dictatorships out there that seriously restrict their citizens' Internet viewing in the guise of protecting them from "illegal" content, but that is the only significant government involvement with the Internet that I am aware of.

    However, as an online marketer, I do want to be responsive to those who are concerned that this is not just a political power grab by nasty bureaucrats that was rescinded by a new government and, in fact, it presages the end of the Internet as we know it. Accordingly, I have started up my old business and am now offering Net Neutrality Tinfoil Hats which are guaranteed to ensure that you will not suffer from the ill effects of the loss of Net Neutrality within the borders of the U.S. Note that they are dual use in that you can use the hat to make a great baked potato, as well.
     
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    Anything and everything internet-related can be affected by the ISP. Although it's still up in the air as to what, if anything, will change. For the next several months anything "web" is questionable. This could have a terrible effect on SEO's as it will be another factor that could confuse the issue.
     
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    I am going to do great tinfoil hat business in 2018, it seems. :)

    You are better off worrying about a massive solar flare from the sun or the Earth being hit by a meteor the size of a city. The "remains to be seen what is going to happen" argument is the next segue from the "sky is falling" hysterics we were treated to when the Net Neutrality "apocalypse" occurred a few days ago. As I predicted in another thread, a year from now, the Net Neutrality regulations (note that they were NOT actual laws) will be an amusing footnote in U.S. history and, eventually, historians will point to it as yet one more government over-reach by the Left that mercifully was stopped in its tracks before it could be fully weaponized for their political benefit.
     
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    I doubt such bundles will be made within 5 years at least. Right now people are clearly are up in arms about net neutrality which is a very strong signal for ISP-s not to do anything of the sort.
    That being said Hosting companies might get hurt if ISP-s start to make deals with individual "Big Whale" Hosting companies for better bandwidth. But as I said it's unlikely for the next couple of years.
     
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    The beauty of letting the marketplace (instead of political hack bureaucrats) decide how the Internet should work is that if the ISP's make any moves like that, it will open up opportunities for other providers to jump in and compete against them with more popular services. People can then vote with their wallets and go where the service best suits their needs.

    That said, I see no reason why a 30-year-old pajama boy living in his parents' basement and sucking up massive bandwidth with his gaming should pay the same ISP fee that I do to check emails and visit the occasional website. Net Neutrality was really big government socialism pretending to "protect" the public when it was just trying to offer yet another handout to the takers by making others pay more than their fair share.
     
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    It really comes down to whether you think the internet is like any other product or it is a public good. I guess one way this could be decided is whether the advantages having it socialized (Like Healthcare in Europe) provides enough social good on the long term that would offset the economic losses due to inefficiencies coming from anti-market regulations.

    The issue for me is that the ISP-s are so centralized and the cost of market entry is so high that the said new providers that would jump in with better products will simply not exist.
     
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    LOL, that is what they said about electric power when regulating the utilities. Note that once they were "slightly" deregulated, a number of resellers and other power companies sprung right up. Look at the phone companies: they were enjoying the "benefits" the high barrier to entry that they had with their wiring infrastructure until market forces took over and now things are quite a bit different, no? "Social benefit" mostly accrues to the political hacks in power and not to the supposed "common good." Healthcare in Europe is not a great example to bring up for your argument, by the way. The rationing of healthcare, unbelievable wait times, etc., are legendary.
     
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    To be honest I completely agree with your point. The politicians are probably the worst people to decide this as they always "vote" for their own benefit. I have yet to see a selfless politician.
    One solution would be to have a mandatory guaranteed minimum bandwidth to preserve some semblance of net neutrality while throwing the rest to the market forces and see what happens.

    That being said the issue with centralized health care is while it works in rich countries, it's beyond terrible in the poorer European countries. But the alternative is no healthcare at all for the poor in those countries (Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Etc...)
     
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    I think we know who wears the tinfoil hat here.
     
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    Sorry, no discounts; it's full price regardless of the need.
     
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