What do you think will replace Petro?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Rick_Michael, Jul 3, 2006.

  1. #1
    Post what you think will replace some of it?

    Note: we'll always need it for plastics.


    Here's what I think will help. Ethanol has a viable future as well, but....

    http://www.butanol.com/

    is probably the best bet.
     
    Rick_Michael, Jul 3, 2006 IP
  2. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

    Messages:
    12,206
    Likes Received:
    601
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    260
    #2
    isn't ethanol a negative energy source? it takes more energy to make it; than you get out of it?
     
    lorien1973, Jul 3, 2006 IP
  3. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

    Messages:
    2,744
    Likes Received:
    41
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #3
    That depends on the technology to derive it. In the past, that's true...although there's some claim that (like butanol) there's a process patented that can greatly decrease the price and improve the process. Although butanol is much more energy efficient. Look a the above link.

    Wikipedia usually has some interesting info as well:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol
     
    Rick_Michael, Jul 3, 2006 IP
  4. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

    Messages:
    2,744
    Likes Received:
    41
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #4
    Rick_Michael, Jul 3, 2006 IP
  5. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

    Messages:
    2,744
    Likes Received:
    41
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #5
    Rick_Michael, Jul 3, 2006 IP
  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

    Messages:
    15,836
    Likes Received:
    571
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #6
    GTech, Jul 3, 2006 IP
  7. iowadawg

    iowadawg Prominent Member

    Messages:
    10,918
    Likes Received:
    811
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    380
    #7
    In Iowa.
    Quite a few plants now producing with more coming online.

    From what I have read, no, the energy used is a lot less than what is produced.

    They are now bringing new processes online to use the entire corn plant, from the ground up, instead of just the corn itself.
     
    iowadawg, Jul 3, 2006 IP
  8. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    238
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #8
    What's wrong with H2?
     
    latehorn, Jul 4, 2006 IP
  9. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

    Messages:
    12,206
    Likes Received:
    601
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    260
    #9
    other than the fact that its violently explosive? puts gasoline to shame. I think the primary worry is a minor leak and a little spark makes a very big boom.
     
    lorien1973, Jul 5, 2006 IP
  10. falcondriver

    falcondriver Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    963
    Likes Received:
    47
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    145
    #10
    this is not true. i have seen test where they put some match into the tank of an h2-car and a petrol car: the petrol car burned out completely after 20 mins or so, at the h2 car there was only a (large) flame out coming out of the open tank for a few mins until it was out of fuel, without doing *any* damage to the car.
    there was no real explosion at the zeppelin accident in 1912 (?), it just burned down very fast, but the paint they used for the hull was also high flammable.

    and you can make something like plastic out of fructose, its called HMF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxymethylfurfural) but still more expensive than PET - but i dont think that prices for oil will drop, so this may be an alternative because you can just plant the raw material for HMF on fields...

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/312/5782/1933
     
    falcondriver, Jul 5, 2006 IP
  11. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    238
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #11
    hehe.. hindenburg exploaded because of bad flameable color in the inside painting.

    H2 can be made by bacteriums(no, I'm not kidding).
     
    latehorn, Jul 5, 2006 IP
  12. hottub_dude

    hottub_dude Peon

    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #12
    Ethanol will have it's day ... in the future.
     
    hottub_dude, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  13. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

    Messages:
    2,744
    Likes Received:
    41
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #13
    Ha...nice long bump....lol. Biodiesels, biobutanol, and bioethanol. Although I think ethanol is corrosive to our pipe infrastructure...so the later may have it's ultimate advantage.

    I think many technologies are coming-up to replace the long-list of issues that petro usually takes care of. The sooner the better.
     
    Rick_Michael, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  14. Cheap SEO Services

    Cheap SEO Services <------DoFollow Backlinks

    Messages:
    16,664
    Likes Received:
    1,318
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #14
    Horsepower will replace petrol. I guess the petrochemical companies will have to invest in stallions and mares soon? LOL :D
     
    Cheap SEO Services, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  15. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

    Messages:
    2,744
    Likes Received:
    41
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #15
    Something interesting I read from wiki.... Source is included...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel
    http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

    Being that we don't want to take-over all of America for fuel production, it's apparently clear we have to use highly efficient crops; otherwise we'll have to be like Brazil and subsidize the shit out of initial production. It's would not be nice/wise to use all our crops on fuel.
     
    Rick_Michael, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  16. LinkSales

    LinkSales Active Member

    Messages:
    1,432
    Likes Received:
    52
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    90
    #16
    H2 cant be MADE but it can be derived. ;)
     
    LinkSales, Jan 22, 2007 IP