What do you think about the relegion Islam(specialy non-muslims)

Nobody cares what you think. You can't stop the most popular religion/culture in the world.

We still own your oil.

 

p/s: Age is just a number.

 

Does this mean you will simply avoid answering these questions, then?

I don't know how many times I can say this - so long as one's faith doesn't bring harm to anyone living now, I have no issue; once that practice crosses into harm of living beings here and now, I stand in opposition.

Alwiser, you chose to enter into a conversation about child rape with a joke.
Seems that these are not complex issues to sort out - one is either OK, or not OK, with what is being discussed here.

Where do you stand on the above issues?

Edit:

You added this:

Please be clear. And please respond to questions asked in sincerity, however uncomfortable the subject may be.

Edit, again: Alwiser, it seems you are not a muslim, am I correct? My purpose here is not to play games, pretending to be anything; and it isn't to malign Islam, for no other reason than to malign Islam. It's to get at the truth on how Muslims think and feel about this particular issue, which concerns me (to be honest, in a way that has only recently come to the fore, for me, given the responses I've seen by a few declared Muslims here). I'd appreciate it, if you are playing games, that you simply stop. Thanks.

 

Sure. It's OK for a female human being to be married as long as she wasn't forced to do it. If she's capable of reproducing (puberty), she should be able to have sex. Although it's highly unrecommended to have sex at an early age due to conflicting school schedules, liabilities and responsibilities, I think it's unfair to assume that everybody within a certain age frame have the same conflicts.

It's not as simple as a YES or NO question. It's a highly subjective matter so the best solution (IMO) is to enforce freedom but at the same time protecting them from abuse.

edit: regarding my personal conviction, I was born a Muslim but remained a closet Atheist because the penalty for apostasy in Islam is death. I do know how Muslims in general think, you can see 40 year old men going "woah she's hot" to a 14 year old girl and nobody would say anythin about that.

 

I am putting aside a young woman, as that isn't what we're talking about here, Alwiser.

We're talking about a 9 year old girl.

I cannot ask you what you're feelings are, as a practicing Muslim; but I can ask, is it right, or to be condemned, for a child to be married to an adult male?

 

^^ Is sex involved?

If a 9 year old girl WANTS to be married to an adult male, and domestic rape is passed as ILLEGAL, I would say that it is OK for her to be married.

Here's an extreme case.

A really poor girl in Iran who parents just died of a nuclear war wants to leave the regime of Ahmenajad. On some weird odd, she managed to escape to America.

Now the only way for her to get citizenship and stay in America is by marrying an adult local man. Do note that domestic rape is illegal in the US and as long as the child doesn't want to have sex, she won't have to.

Should she be allowed to marry that adult man? or not?

On the other hand, it's fucked up for parents to marry their 9 year old daughter to an adult to pay off their debts in a country where domestic rape is allowed.

 

The issue at hand is of a 9-year old girl married to an older man, who had sex with her, against her will.

"With" or "without" her will, is this to be condemned, or praised? It's not complicated, wiser - the subject of this thread is known. Is it right, or wrong, for a 9 year old kid to be put to bed by an adult male?

("quotes" because there are issues of authority endemic to a child/adult relationship that make it nigh impossible to justly determine a child would "willingly" - by which I mean, with all faculties, and ability to make an informed decision - enter into a sexual relationship with an adult).

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You know what? Fuck it. I'm disgusted and outraged by this topic, and notion. We're dancing around the edges and playing word games with what I believe should be an extremely easy set of questions to answer.

I am an atheist, who tries to maintain an open heart and mind to matters of faith; though I do not hold any belief in the divine, I do feel the world can be a bitter pill, as well as a joyous journey, and if faith helps one to get through the day, bless you, brother or sister.

But from all I can tell, there is a bona fide issue with pedophilia in Islam, stemming all the way from its Founder. Every religion I know has its bullshit that most would rather not bring to light - I've mentioned some of them, in a related thread, and so this isn't from a place of bigotry, or "my god/tradition/faith is better than yours"; but if most seem to turn a winking eye to that bullshit, in order to marry the holes in the faith to what good the faith gives them, what I find troubling by some of the comments here (and elsewhere) by at least a few, is that they actually believe it's good and right for some sick fuck to take to wife an innocent kid, and use her as a pleasure-toy; they believe, at least as much as their words here can indicate, that a woman, or a child, is nothing more than bought cattle. And they believe it's OK, simply because some book, and some cleric, says it's OK.

I find that sick. And no dancing around, wrapping as much tortured illogic as possible, or issuing vagaries and obfuscations, can change that. It's just wrong, to take an innocent kid of 9, and end her childhood at the hand of an asshole without any semblance of higher human consciousness.

Those who support this, by whatever name, are repugnant, in my book. I'm out.

 

I feel how upset you must be but every issues need to be discussed. Putting down an ultimatum makes anybody look as foolish as the muslim cleric.

 

It couldn't be said any better.

 

I don't undestand this kind of thinking.
Do you guys know the difference between right and wrong, and good and bad???
Do you really believe we buy your logic that..... " It's OK for a female human being to be married as long as she wasn't forced to do it."

Of course no one asks muslim 9 year girls if they want to marry or not. They have been sold as catle for MONEY TO SOME OLD PERVERTS WHO DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. Who believe being a Pervert is a blessing from God.

 

Some people were born pedo just like some people were born gay.

 

You aren't trying to equate people who rape children with what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home, are you?

tell me, do you think homosexuals should be killed?

two simple questions, now bring on the obfuscation and evasion!!

 

I will repeat my question again to see if someone can answer it:

If you own something, do you have the right to control it or not?

Please, answer the question, don't attack me for something I didn't say.

 

Having kids close to this age, I can say with 100% certainty that they lack the mental and physical ability to make such determination.

Sex, or no sex, its sick. Its wrong. And anyone that condones it needs some serious help.

 

There are no homosexuals in the Muslim world. Well... At least none in Iran. If you don't believe me ask AhmaNutJob

 

No one will answer your stupid question as it is vague and obviouly meant to trap. Clarify your question. Define "something" (i.e. animal, vegetable or mineral). Ask your question in clear English not mumble jumble Quranian.

 

Are you referring to a child as OWNED?

In a FREE countries we don't "own" another fellow human beings, so to answer your question...NO, we don't control what we don't own as you cannot OWN a person.

 

Thank you very much wwws,

what about controling what you own?

I agree that you have no right to control what is not yours.

 

Just out of curiosity, what country are you in? Are your beliefs common where you come from?

 

It depends what it is. I own my car, I can exert control over it. I can decide to keep in locked in a garage or drive it or loan it to someone. What I can't do with it is harm others by driving on the sidewalk (although I am physically capable of doing such a thing - my ownership of my car does not give me that right) I cannot light it on fire in front of my house, there are rules and limitations on what you may do with your own property in a civil society.

I have a child, I have responsibility for him. I direct his activities, but I do not own him nor do I "control" him. He is a human being with his own desires and needs and he, even at 2, can express them.

I have a wife, she is an adult and I have no control over her. She is free to make all over her own decisions. I have a moral and legal responsibility to provide for my family, but I have no rights to "control" them.

So Polite teen, what the heck are you talking about? Since this is a thread about some sick Muslim men who are raping children and you posed a question about controlling what you own - The implication, whether you meant it or not, is pretty clear and I find it disgusting.