What do you think about the relegion Islam(specialy non-muslims)

Lo! Allah enjoineth justice and kindness, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbiddeth lewdness and abomination and wickedness. He exhorteth you in order that ye may take heed. (90)

So, Indeed, those guilty who refuse God's commandment must be punished then.

As an answer for your question, they will be punished in the hereafter, but in this world they might be punished and might not be.

 

Can u plzz explain what u say in details if u dont mind....

 

Reading from people who are Zero-Knowledge of ISLAM is truly misleading in many ways ...

 

I think the religion of peace, like most religions, can be used to justify and/or encourage acts of good as well as bad acts. It just seems as though in Islam, the percentage of people that use it to justify violence seems to be higher than in other religions, at least in this and the last century. I'm not sure this is because of something inherent in the religion though. The cultures where it is practiced is also a big factor.

 

Try and provide proofs from Islam regarding your claim and your thoughts, maybe you have miss conceptions and your thoughts are inaccurate and maybe since we have good knowledge of Islam, we can give you a true picture that is if you are really interested in having a true picture about Islam.

 

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

 

Choas we can fit einsteins theory of relativity on a sheet of paper. This is one example of the order of the universe. Your trying to tell me that this order came from chaos with no force or purpose? The chances of this formula coming about thsi way are NIL. Try bringing thsi up to experts in odds making and see what their response is. Forget even the big bang. Lets use reason here. We see things being created in this universe each day. It just doesnt make sense that whatever set this whole ball rolling magically was always here. It doesnt make sense. Even energy itself had to have a starting point.


If you do want to debate the big bang, scientists are talking about a tiny object that holds the 4 natural forces. Gravity strong nuk and so on. Who created that small object. Did the complexity needed to create it come about as a result of chaos creating order? As reasoning people we know the chances are impossible of this happening. This is what I mean by purpose and order and this is why I believe in intelligent design.

 

Thanks for responding, now i know your source of information based on what exactly.

Not to open useless arguments, the page you have provided me with is a political actions committed by Muslims groups in the way the site provide it, not a source neither from Qur'an or Hadeeth.

Islam (Laws, economy, politics, etc) is based only in Qur'an and Hadeeth.

Can you please provide a source from Qura'n or Hadeeth supporting your claim that Islam encourage violent attacks.

 

I said I wasn't sure that the violence perpetrated by muslims in the name of islam is a result of something inherent in the religion. It may be. Or it may be a mix of religion and cultural factors.
However, there are some translations of some verses that indicate that some of the violence may be an inherent part of the religion, like this one:

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty"
Qur'an, Sura 9:123


Maybe you can provide a more accurate translation?

 

damn. I really wrote a response and then erased it like 10 times. I don't even know where to start answering this paragraph of yours.... I have too many problems with it that this forum's database can handle. I decided to take on the geeky way. You don't have to read everything.

This is a "religion-kind-of-sentence". A sentence that sounds great, and means nothing.
What? Einsteins theory on a paper? so simple? hey cool! Amazing!
If you saw bill maher's Religulous (a must!), it is parallel to the hilarious scene with the "son, ghost, holy spirit = ice, water, gas steam" thing ("holy land experience").....

"we can fit einsteins theory of relativity on a sheet of paper."
hmmm.. what can I say. This is a dangerous sentence, because it is true, and very much false at the same time.
If you want to write the end result, E=mc², all you need a small sticky note.
But if you want to write an essay that will teach something about the theory itself for non professionals, the MINIMUM you need to write is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity . This is slightly more than a piece of paper, note that each section expands into its own term and have a look at the notes and references.

If you want to write an Introduction to the theory for professionals, you need 341 pages, a small gospel , not including references and cross references. see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_general_relativity

For a fanatic scientist=atheist like myself, my "god" is evidence, reason, and logic. When you say "we can fit einsteins theory of relativity on a sheet of paper.", you are being blasphemous. When composing the theory, Einstein himself formulated his ideas into the complicated equations, but didn't posses the mathematical abilities to solve them ( get E=mc²). His friend Schwarzshchild was the mathematical mastermind behind. They say that today, only a handful of people on earth can solve these equations and really understand them. You can't seriously argue that even if u're the smartest person on earth and never heard of the theory before, you will be able to explain to me all what relativity is about after reading a piece of paper. People study relativity during a period of a lifetime and still have questions!

(WARNING: Parental discretion is advised in reading the next paragraph!)
My next problem is what exactly you call "order" (I'm glad you left the "symmetry" you previously mentioned out: our world is highly-asymmetric....).
Are you calling nature following its own rules as "order" and use it to promote the existence of the super natural? That's your first logical fallacy (more specifically called: "Reductio ad absurdum"). Claiming that god is true because I can not prove its false, is a logical fallacy called "Ad ignorantiam". The logical assertion of yours that "god exists therefore we have nature" and at the same time "nature exists therefore we have god", is a logical fallacy called Tautology.

Or, to keep things "on a single sheet of paper", everything you said does not prove that god exists.

Maybe you see, I don't. the underlined word is a theological word and does not belong in a scientific discussion. According to modern science, nothing is "created". Everything that appears comes on the expense of another thing that disappears. Not even on the sub-atomic level!

In my short scientific career it happened to me countless times, that actually whats going on in the physical system under investigation is exactly the opposite to what "made sense" to me before I made the experiment But then after I give it a new thinking with the new evidence, I always say to myself: "sure it makes sense! how didn't I think of it before!".

Lets not debate the big bang, for the reason that it is just a scientific theory. I have no answers to all of the questions that you presented, and neither do you, which are truth beyond any doubt.
Modern science started something like 150 years ago. To illustrate creatively what I think about your questions: its like a 2 year old kid asking his mother what is cancer and why did father die from it. The kid does not possess the mental and intellectual tools to understand, yet. Neither do we. But soon enough, maybe in 500 years? we'll do.

The last sentence of yours is great.

The keyword is underlined. It is an arbitrary belief. It is not based on observation, logic, or evidence that you posses and I don't, altough u'd really like to think it is. What you are doing has a scientific name in a field called "evolution of religion", and that's: god of the gaps.

One should not use scientific arguments to promote religious ideas, science and religion are totally different "creatures", they can co-exist in two parallel universes which never intersect.
You should say: "I believe, because I want to. I like it. I think it makes me a better person. And if you don't like it, that's your problem, get lost". If you try to use science to justify your beliefs, what you are doing is actually abusing science.

 

But that's what you are claiming, isn't it? That's what you believe. oops, did you just destroy your own argument by inadvertently showing how ridiculous even you think it is?

People who base their world view on evidence say "we currently don't know exactly how the universe formed but the big bang theory explains the expansion of the universe, not it's origin". But then your entire premise is a god of the gaps, so concluding that if we don't know how it happened a magic man in the sky must have done it should be expected.

 

Good ole stox adding his own version of my beliefs. The more I post. The less facts I receive in return.My argument is perfectly sound my friend. You keep bringing the magic man in the sky routine when you know that theists see god in a much deeper way. We dont see god in teh same way that hitchens sees Jack Daniels

 

Pong it's all there for people to see. You said it "doesn't make sense" for whatever caused the universe to exist to have "always been there".

Retract this statment if you wish, but have the intellectual honesty and dignity (lol asking that from a "christian") to not pretend you didn't say it.

 

k let me tell u one thing what quran says about future and i will surely mention all other things as well....

As the quran says that there will be a situation when there will be no non-muslim on the earth and that stage is almost near....you can see the video on the link below in which a reaserch proved that the time is almost near...

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/video/video.php?v=125433681999&ref=nf

 

How do you know everyone in the world will be a muslim?...Because it says so in the quran...But how do you know the quran is right?...because it is the word of allah...How do you know it is the word of allah?...because it says so in the quran. Why can't you just post the quran verse here? Does it have to do with any of these?

Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9

Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12

Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102

The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 2:254

Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6

Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32

Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47

Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116

Source: Skeptic's Annotated Quran

Does that pretty much sum it up?

 

So ?

What's wrong with that, disbelievers will burn in hell as a punishment of disbelieving.

 

Why wait until they are dead to be punished, what is wrong with using Sharia law to execute Muslim men who choose another faith or no faith at all?

Also, do the disbelievers have to quietly take their punishment in hell or can they fight back?

 

Oh, all that's fine, especially if you happen to be living in the middle ages. But what about the part about killing non-believers and destroying their cultures?

 

The part about killing the non-believers.

Read the verses completely with there explanations and you will have the answer.

The guy just quoted the verses and did not even provided anything else neither the verses before or after which of course will change the meaning completely.

Its like someone saying:

I will kill everyone who will try to kill me.

And someone goes quoting from him:

Which is stupid and everyone knows about miss quoting and therefore i do not even need to go bring the verses before or after or explain what its talking about.

If someone really interested in knowing whats the verses are actually talking about, Qur'an is available everywhere with its translation and explanation.

 

I guess the countries of Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Qatar, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan and Mauritania don't have a clue how to read a Quran. In each of those countries the punishment for converting from Islam is death. You can try to pretend that some of us are misreading the Quran, but the reality is that only countries who follow the Quran have a death penalty for apostates. In Pakistan blasphemy is also punishable by death.

Do you think we are so stupid as to ignore the actual fact that Muslims are killing men who want to leave Islam and instead believe you that us non-Muslims are simply reading a verse out of context. So which is it: Is Saudi Arabia wrongfully killing people in the name of Islam or are you just misleading us as to your own beliefs?