What do you think about the relegion Islam(specialy non-muslims)

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  1. Reseg

    Reseg Peon

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    #21
    You're complaining about "presumptions", prejudice, profiling, and generalizing in the top quote right? Then in your very next post you refer to something said that you didn't like that you would think they were from Texas for saying it... um, hypocrite?
     
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    #22
    yes...that was my point...
     
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  4. Aqeel Qureshi

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    #24
    Please also mention in the post that you are muslim or non-muslim
     
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    plutoegg Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Im a non-muslim
     
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  6. Gooseman

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    #26
    Islam may very well intend to promote love, peace and all that good stuff but it does so in such vague way most of its followers must rely on a few for its meaning(s).

    BT: What countries/regions where regular muslims are a majority can people of other religions live without fear of persecution? Pakistan? Afghanistan? Iran? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Indonesia? Malasia??
     
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  7. northpointaiki

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    #27
    There isn't a monotheistic religion I know that doesn't prescribe death, subjugation of or ill-will towards some "other," and/or separation of themselves, necessarily, from today's world; and few, if any, religions of any stripe that don't have their share of "I'm right, you're utterly screwed, body and soul." In my experience, most followers are decent people, who abandon the prescriptions of their ancient texts, to live out their lives in peace, or otherwise adapt themselves to modern living.

    In doing so, they are not living their "religion" as it was set down for them to live, but that's fine with me, actually. Life is tough; whatever brings comfort to you in this travail of pain and joy - so long as you leave me to do the same; you're OK with me.
     
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  8. ChaosTrivia

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    #28
    Yes. This video give me indeed the best view what is Islam.
    Apart from repeating "ALLAH" and "GOD" 1,000 times without saying anything meaningful in between, I grabbed this still image from the video for you:
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    ----> Being muslim is like shopping on TV. Mohhamed is a hot product.
    "Call now! and get your Mohammed package 20% off! Limited time offer!"
    Intellect? unnecessary.
    Logical thinking? waste of time.
    Any basic knowledge of history, biology, or natural sciences? oh my god, what are these?
    Being muslim is joining the herd and thinking like one of the herd. Just pick up the phone and call, hide your wife beneath tons of rags, say allahu ackbar, and welcome to the club.

    :D

    This is Islam, and in this sense unfortunately, Christianity is not much different. This is why the two religions are the world's most dominant: they are meant for the stupid crowds, which is more or less 98% of any society. The result: Muslims and Christians are almost 50% of the world's population.

    To join Judaism, you must first study for 2 years. It is likely that you will be kicked out during the process for the reason: "you are not smart enough.". The result: jews, despite arriving to humanity thousands of years before Christianity and Islam, are just 0.3% of the world's population.
    "you are not smart enough" has also been told to a swiss friend of mine who (against my recommendation) tried to convert to Judaism. Damn stupid jews. I always say: better be many and stupid, than few and smart: its harder to live like that. Life would be much easier if I believed that homosexuals are a "problem" that should be "fixed", as imad preached to us before yesterday.
    Learn more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism

    Some more food for thought: (in reply to this and this)
    The video I mentioned is broadcast on TV in the UK. There are many alike in the blossoming UK muslim community.
    Can somebody even Imagine in his wildest dreams this kind of promotion, available to everybody, to any religion other than Islam in any Islamic nation? Nobody would even think doing that: Simply because most people like it when their heads are attached to their body......
     
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  9. Aqeel Qureshi

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  10. imad

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    #30

    so you are actually saying, if a religion have few followers, then it is meant for smart, even if it says, something you see as stupid like this in Judaism:

    but if a religion have many followers then it is meant for stupid? hmm it did not make sense, because all religions started with few even very few followers, and the masses rejected them, far from religion, any other belief or even idea, it is adopted by very few at the beginning, only if it was good it can survive, and spread,

    what about the person's own mind, beliefs, and thinking?

    that's not how people decide to follow a religion, they first learn it, study it, then decide to follow it, or leave it, depending on if they been convinced with what they knew about it or not, and when they decide, they do not usually need an exam, religion is a set of beliefs, that if they adopted them, then they will be considered as followers for that religion, not when they get a certification from a certain party.

    you much reminded me with Church in mid ages, when they sold what been called then "forgiveness vouchers" according to the Church at that time, if you were rich and bought this voucher you will go to heaven, even if you been a war criminal like most of Israeli prime ministers, but if you were poor, who can't afford to buy it, you will go to hell, even if all you did was good.
     
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  11. browntwn

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    #31
    It is good you believe in the Quran, hopefully not based on that video. The video is proof of nothing and pretty much makes a mockery of the Quran reducing it to being sold like common snake oil.
     
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  12. Aqeel Qureshi

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    #32
    the video basically shows that what ever human has discovered in this modern world has been hidden in quran and when you go in depth in the holly book which is quran you will find alot of things like this....Its already explained in quran what is happened in past and wht will be the future of the world....every thing that is discovered by human bieng is already discovered in quran...if you study this holly book in depth than you will come to know whts the reality and whts not reality....

    so that proof is part of quran and these types of proofs often make the people who are non muslim to accept islam....and those type of proofs make our(muslims) belief strong....
     
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    #33
    You paint your little book as some kind of cheap carnival trick. The "predictions" always surface after the fact, with a little help from contrived interpritation from followers desperate to find a little justification for believing the patently untrue.
     
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  14. LogicFlux

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    #34
    Pretty much the same deal with the Nostradamus believers.
     
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  15. ChaosTrivia

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    #35
    Please, have a read in the Quran and tell us about the future. We are all eager to know. We're listening.
     
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  16. Aqeel Qureshi

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    #36
    sure you don't need to be worry every events that is being happening in this world is explained in quran....I will write here step by step....lets take this example read it....

    The Verses in the Quran That Mention Future Events Which Later Came to Pass

    One example of the events foretold in the Quran is the victory of the Romans over the Persians within three to nine years after the Romans were defeated by the Persians. God has said in the Quran:

    The Romans have been defeated in the nearest land (to the Arabian Peninsula), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious within bedd’ (three to nine) years.... (Quran, 30:2-4)

    Let us see what history tells us about these wars. A book entitled History of the Byzantine State says that the Roman army was badly defeated at Antioch in 613, and as a result, the Persians swiftly pushed forward on all fronts. (1) At that time, it was hard to imagine that the Romans would defeat the Persians, but the Quran foretold that the Romans would be victorious within three to nine years. In 622, nine years after the Romans’ defeat, the two forces (Romans and Persians) met on Armenian soil, and the result was the decisive victory of the Romans over the Persians, for the first time after the Romans’ defeat in 613.(2) The prophecy was fulfilled just as God has said in the Quran.
     
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  17. ChaosTrivia

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    #37

    That's awsome.

    However, the Roman empire was starting to tare apart in the late 5th century...
    So the Quran knew in 600 that the roman empire will vanish? forgive me for not being too impressed. Besides, every empire vanishes, no empires live forever: from the asurians through the babylonians the greek and the romans, the austro-hungars, to the nazis and the communists, and finally: the fall of the U.S. has just started two years ago. you don't have to be a prophet to know that.

    Anyway, forget about it, who cares about the Romans. This is not what I meant.
    You said that:
    Please let me know my future. the future of my country (Israel), how will science progress in the next 50 years, how will the world politics look like, what are the big events that we will witness in the next 20 year? all according to the Quran with references therein please. I am not a quran scholar so I can't do that, this is why I need you.
     
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  18. Aqeel Qureshi

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    #38
    K sure i will post here every thing step by step...
     
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  19. Gooseman

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    #39
    With the increase of muslim population in western Europe, the "ancient" people of Europe needed a new homeland.
    The UN in all their wisdom got together and decided that the ME was as good a place as any for these displaced folks.
    Afterall.... It was just sitting there :rolleyes:

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  20. ChaosTrivia

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    LOL
    Great scenario. In that case I would gladly move to "old Germany" :)
     
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