What do you think about Muslims and Jihad and Crusades

and thats what makes Christians much more palatable than your crap.

i'm against all religion, Islam the most

 

Ahh you are right about that, i can't prove anything to you, if i say anything you'll go to the biggest Islamic authority(google) and find another "concrete proof" to disprove me, i can't prove anything in this kind of debate. That's very cute you can make statements about Islam, considering yourself privilidged enough to talk about it, something you absolutely know nothing about

I don't see what you are trying so hard to prove when you don't even have any resources but some .edu links(who writes them? ) which can't even understand what jizyah is about. That's really entertaining. You gotto learn more before you speak up for deep subjects like this.

Neither you nor me are experts about world religions, just get a grip and think what you are doing, can you really discuss about religions in the way you do? Trying to make points about whether they are this or that. If yes what gives you that kind of knowledge, Google search results? Fox News? What? I mean, i don't see myself in a position to make statements about your religion, that's above my head, how can you do it for mine? I mean it's.. lol. Just stop associating every sad event with religions trying to find some texts to make it seem as if it was ordered by religion. You only act like soccer hooligans here, offending other people for no reason. Treat everyone with love, isn't that what your books tells you anyway? It's so so and so ignorant to hate people for their religion, which is what you do. We are not in the 14th century hello!

And again; we sure are all equal, according to Islam as well. I don't expect any of you to believe these, you have already made up your minds.

My book only says, they are no more valid ever since Islam came. You just want to think Islam rejects their holiness, sorry, those are not the same. You can also make some searches about how Jewish book considers any religion created later including yours and what's their perspective about equality between humanbeings. Neh wait.. Don't do that, watch some more news, your TV will tell you what to believe.

 

Thank you for the kind thought, but I prefer he didn't. I cannot practice those verses of killing others because they do not convert to islam.

The verses quoted do not need explanation. They are not complicated verses and they stand on their own merits. It's really difficult for me to see "kill the infidel" in some other light. Common sense prevails and I'm not as gullible as someone like AGS.

These same verses were the subject of the recent British Mosque expose that exposed mainstream clerics in Britain preaching these behind the closed doors. One islam for the infidel, the real islam at the mosque on Friday. Let's not pretend we don't know what goes on there

 

As a Christian following Christ (Jesus the Son of God) what part of the Bible (that is commaded to Christ's followers) am I not following?

Now this may be really hard for you to understand, but try and figure out what I am not doing so that I may do it correctly.

 

So you want me to open yyou own bible and put those verses out of it as you are putting without any context ?? But I assure you that I will be going to put all those verses with I repeat WITH context and you will never be able to reply them as your biggest "Sam Shamoun's" wasn't able to do that ..

I think you must start a new Thread concerning what you christians are following and what you are not. don't try to put all of your dirty crap on others if you don't even know well about your own religion. Just a sinple Q'n to you now ::

To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether ????

I do know that no christian is going to reply in in good and will start blaming in new way, but maybe some one has got the courage to reply than he.she is always welcome to have a nice and positive debate here.... NO comments Just the "Holy Books"

I am not running these site and you are not asking me about Jiziyah there, Do ask and I will try my level best to answer you. I am not among those who don't even read their book and claim the followers of Jesus Christ (p.b.u.h)

And yes Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) that we are the one but those who really believe in Allah and all His messengers includin Yahya(as), Moses(as),Jesus (as), Ibraham(as) and last messenger Muhammad (as).

Anyhow, All are your own comments and you are free to say anything.

 

Being that English isn't your native language, best not to try to cut words short. I wasn't sure what Q'n meant, that you were talking about the quoran or something.

Anyways, your question has no basis. To be God's Son and Jesus also claimed that He and God are one. No less divine for sure. Sorry that your statement is false and your question is based on a false assumption, so not really answerable unless you realize that God can do what He wants including being a human (a perfect one at that.) Jesus isn't separate from God because He is God. (His own words)

BTW, either the site you got the question from or your imam should study up before making false statements. God is much greater than you think if you think you can limit him. Maybe god (alah) is like a genie in a lamp, that you can rub and ask for wishes, but the True and Living God created the Heavens, the Earth, and all that is in it (Psalms 24)

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

There are many different interpretations of the koran just as there are many different interpretations of the bible. The old testament speaks alot about killing but for someone to fully understand the bible they must understand the connection and evolution of how god taught us from the old testament to the new testament. There are many moderate muslims that say that the killing verses were meant during times of war or some other reason or from a different part of the koran. My point is to fully be able to critisize a religion u must know it front to back and not from fox new's point of view.

This is ignorant and childish

I was watching some bible hour show at 1am and hearing a woman preaching that if you dont follow these words exactly your going to burn in the fires of hell, then she asked for donations saying that faith without works is dead. He eyeballs were popping out of her head. It was almost like watching one of hitlers speaches during ww2 or an extremist mullah preaching death to america and death to the jews. Extremism is the thging that should be abolished in this world.
Jesus always preached moderation and tolerance and understanding.

 

Fox news is not to blame for the verses in the quran nor are they to blame for reporting the violence that stems from those who follow it. Do you apply this same standard in order to criticize your own country, which you do often? Or to criticize the government? No, you do not.

I sense overdramatization here in a self-loathing sort of way. I'd be very surprised if what you said was accurately true. I've never seen anyone, on TV or otherwise, suggest such.

 

maybe that lady that is part of the "god hates fags" crew was on a tv show? If there was anyone who didn't understand the Bible, it is that crew....

 

Gtech, no self loathing. If you have evr read your bible there are many quotes in the old testament that are very brutally violent, yet the old testament depicts a christianity that is different then the new testament.
The people who have brought about change in a positive way in the world are the people who critize their government when it is doing something wrong.
Like i said before i am proud to be a christian first, a human being second.
Look at the quote of the great albert einstein and see what he thinks of flag wavers. He was not just a great scientist and intellect but a great humanist who saw the uniqeness and honor in humanity ABOVE THE STATE.

Do you just take ur governments word blindly? Do you take our medias words blindly? Or do you actually talk to the people of these 3rd world countries to see what is truely going on there? This is how u get the real facts.

 

Debunked, my mom left the tv open and it was on that station. It ws hillarious, i will try to ask for the tv station channel so maybe gtech can get a good viewing of her. She was a pretty hot blond but i think she needs to get off the drugs lol

 

Also like i stated before many many times that u cant take every word of every religion literally and in an extremist way . That is how muslim findamentalist get this way. In the bible it says if you sin with your eye, better to take that eye out. I mean i dont know about u guys but i dont even see 700 club members taking out their eyes, do you? This is one example of reading one verse in a holy book and taking it to the extreme.

AHHH HOW I LOVE MODERATION!!!!

 

Pingpong, you seem to go by hearsay as far as what the Bible says instead of reading it yourself. What part of the old testament was specific to Christians? Where does God command the followers of His Son to kill anyone?

You will find that the killings that did happen where during specific events, some of which where not condoned by God, but where the decisions of men only. If you aren't careful and you believe whatever a liberal preacher says instead of investigating you will find yourself following a person instead of Christ.

 

Debunked i never said god condoned it did i? If i did then its my error. Actually my bible teacher was one of the most conservative christians on this earth and your right, god never condoned it, im just saying maybe we should get some input from some moderate muslims before we rush to judgment.

I have gotten alot of slack in my views against abortion, against pre marital sex,etc etc etc. In fact we had a very heated debate in bible study class about whether we all felt that only christians were going to heaven. I believed that we would be very shocked at who we saw in heaven. Most of the "strictly bible only" followers believed that only christians were going to heaven and it made me think about one of the first things my bible study teacher taught us in class. You can know the bible back and forth like you hand but if u dont practice your faith with kindness, love, compassion and forgiveness its better not to know the bible at all.

As far as what part of the old testament was made for christians i have to say all of it, and from what i was taught the old testament and new testament was supposed to be gods way for us to grow up and evolve spiritually. The old testament showed us gods wrath mostly, the new testament showed us god love.

 

What OT are you reading? God's "wrath" is found in the OT because it's a lot of stories about what people did wrong. But that "wrath" was subdued by God's love and mercy for those doing the wrong. People who don't look a little closer tend to miss that.

The flood was in the OT. Judgement day is in the NT. I see the flood as God's way of showing us that he's not kidding.

Look up the words "love" "grace" and "mercy" and in the OT. Do the same in the NT. You'll find no shortage of verses in both.

 

From what I can see Christianity evolved from Violence to Love

Islam evolved from Love to Violence.

I suggest you lot read up on abrogation (sp?) which means that Muhammed (sp?) was peace loving when his camp was weak but as his armies (and self made religion) got stronger his revelations became more violent and supremacist.

Back in the day, people were scared of an unhappy God so it was used as a tool to control others. Christianity was a good tool on the whole as it promoted peace (despite Crusades etc) yet Islam (Sharia) promoted harsh control.

The other big minus against Islam is that they still believe in their Dark Ages ways including Sharia Law and want to subjugate the world.

 

In the OT, the Jews were losing battles and much as they were winning and the Bible even states on numerous occasions that God causes the Jews to lose battles. God caused them to be put into slavery for a very long time.

The OT is not about the Jews conquering the world through battle. It was mostly about them losing everything because of their wickedness. The exact opposite of what you may expect.

The Catholic church turned more violent as they got into power but it was because they were in charge politically. The US has been to war a lot of times as well. We're not "evolving into love from violence." The Catholic church stopped going to battle when it stopped being the political power.

Political powers are responsible for defending the citizens.

 

Very true. The separation of the Church and the State is a turning point indeed!

 

Nice comments that what you can't answer, Just say "Oh !! I didn't understand your words" Anyhow, Let me make this statement to you more clear.

To be son is to be less than divine

Mean who is the son must be less devine than his father.

and to be divine is to be no one’s son.

And whon you call "Devine" Can't have a son. (Jesus(as) claimed himslef as son of God)

How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether ????

I hope this will be mroe clear to you now..

Waiting for your Biblic Responce.