what do you people think is osama really dead???

Ok here's two things that contradict . How do you know what was Osama's condition ? We don't have access to any of his recent medical reports . And you don't have to speak arabic m8 you've got translators that do . Here's one Osama loving group that writes in English : http://www.muslimsagainstcrusades.com/

 

There are certain key difference that make the Manhattan project entirely different.
1) There was no internet, or easy mass movement of information in the 1940s
2) The manhattan project was a national defense issue, and disclosure of such secrets would have been a direct swipe at the US.

On item 2, one has to think about the motivation for wheeling out the announcement of Osama's death one year before what may prove to be a very difficult election cycle for the president. If it the announcement were false, one could easily justify disclosing the information based on political motivations. I doubt it is a secret that would be kept, no matter how well compartmentalized.

 

As someone who had a top secret clearance in the service, I can personally confirm that the government (through compartmentalization) can keep secrets secure for many,many years. But the people who repeat the "oh, with all the people involved no government could keep this a secret, blah, blah" jargon never drop the other shoe, or ever acknowledge that the reason we are arguing over a cover-up in the first place is because the secret DID get out. The 7 government (not anonymous) individuals who confirmed Osama's death in 2001-2002 include a deputy asst Secretary of State (Steve Piecznick) and other officials.

He also confirmed Osama had END STAGE kidney problems in 2001, meaning he was going to die very soon regardless of if he was killed that year or not. This, on top of the FOX news report of December 2001, announcing OBL's funeral, makes it reasonable to conclude he died years earlier. Obama wheeled out the dead Osama gambit to change the subject from his shaky birth certificate, and to set up the next false flag.

 

ORLY what was your clearance level ?

 

anything is possible... maybe now... he is discussing with Obama... HAHAHAHAHA

 

Good post with interesting points. Like with most things we'll just have to wait. I suppose there's no one piece of evidence, or fact, on either side ascertaining proof.

In my opinion it comes down to who you'd rather believe: the official mouthpiece of governments or those who worked with/under them. I think it would be naive to claim events and stories this large could never be lies or distortions, however I don't believe this is evidence in itself, of course.

For me all the secrecy and inconsistencies just beg disbelief. Honestly, the establishment likes to lie even when it would serve them better not to!

Apocalypse, you missed my other points and just addressed the lesser of them. The genuineness of these forums and the people who post there is impossible to know, so I don't pay too much attention to what SITE and others claim to know directly from supposed terrorists.

Call it a leap of faith, but I'd rather side with Pieczenik, Roberts, Hamid Gul and Bhutto (who I've heard speak with my own ears) over Obama and his cronies, seeing as the latter reek of deception.

 

yes this is what Irani government is saying but the strangest thing is that no one had any prove any picture any video nothing just false stories

 

Top Secret, plus a specific sub-designation.

 

Let me guess , you didn't worked for the government while you where TS access . Correct ?

 

Not correct, had TS status and access while in the government.

 

What was your position TravisG?

 

Strategic weapons tech. The only point of mentioning it was just to counter that notion that government workers can't keep a secret. Most of the time they can and do, and most of the people claiming they can't never worked in the government.

 

So you are a birther as well....even after the release of the original?

I think Valarie Plame would be the first to tell you that any secret can be dumped on the public in the name of politics.

Specifically regarding Bin Laden, what is the proof of "END STAGE" kidney problems this official is presenting(besides his personal word)? Was he friends with Bin Laden´s doctor? If he had such information,one would assume he had near direct access to Bin Laden himself,which begs the question of why they wouldnt bringhim in or kill him. Perhaps he had the same doctor that told the world Megrahi would be dead of his prostate cancer within a year.....

Soo much bullshit out there, it would really be nice if people thought through their conspiracies before they perpetuated them.

 

Strategic weapons , my favorite Then here's easy one for you : what amplified radiation weapon was also researched during SDI and evolved today into a non-lethal weapon system ?

 

Would be nicer if debunkers thought through their contentious speculation before they perpetuated them. OF COURSE a top level state dept official had access to or was briefed on intel about Osama's condition, especially right after 9-11, duh. Did you think that through? Where is the proof behind your put downs and rationalizations?

So you are a non-birther as well....even after the release of the KENYAN BC indicating Obama/Barry was born in Kenya? Oh wait, you'll say that doc was a fake without hesitation, but that no one should ever, ever question the shaky photocopy presented by the White House. Repeat, what the WH released was a photocopy, not the original doc, which upon simple examination shows about a dozen signs of forgery.

Obama is still employing an army of lawyers to prevent any court from directly examining the actual document. You have no questions about that, but play 20 questions with anybody presenting an alternative. Such double standards are the reason I'm outta here. Let's have the same level of scrutiny applied to both sides, that's all I'm saying.

PS: As to the SDI questions, I'm only interested in the original tech aspects, not sidebars. For those interested, Google "High Energy Laser Directed Energy Weapons" for an Australian article on it with the details.

 

It doesn't look like a shaky photocopy to me, you can even zoom in and read every detail. WhiteHouse.Gov


Edit: Btw, I just wanted to add my personal stance -- I believe Obama is a United States citizen and was born in Hawaii.

 

That's the problem, the details are artificially enhanced to make it look clear. To repeat, Barry has spent millions, and employed a ton of lawyers to prevent anybody from directly examining the actual BC form, or his other key documents. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vdfg6EW_zg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xidY8DPBK0U

Wherever he was born, he became an INDOESIAN Citizen during his childhood (verified by school records from that country), which required revoking any citizenship he had elsewhere. From that point on, he would have to become a NATURALIZED US citizen to reside in this country legally--meaning he is not constitutionally eligible to be President. Perhaps he's hiding his docs because they more clearly expose this issue.

 

Hawaii.

That's an old conspiracy theory, even Snopes totally debunked that back in 2009. Snopes (scroll down to the bottom)

 

Amazing. With all obama's well funded political enemies in posession of the concrete and indisputable evidence you have, I haven't heard a word about it from the folks at fox news who would love to see him gone. Not even glen beck. Perhaps the information has a special super duper secret classification which allows only those with tin foil hats to be aware of it's existence.

 

The MASER research was anything but a sidebar - sorry not buying the TS access even thou almost 1% of the US population has access .