No, but I found more than one incidence of "your head" when I googled "uranus". It could be important. At least as relevant as your random googling.
well why dont you give me a "non random" link with the # of civilian casualties in iraq that is not "random" ?...this is a rhetorical question LOL dont worry i know its not in your interest to actually talk about the 100.000s of dead civilians... hell if you keep your head in the sand long enough maybe a palm tree will grow out of your ass? in any case you already sandblasted all the hair off of your head ...
It would be irrelevant for many reasons, but the primary one being your opening statement about US Mercenaries being the killers of women and children. After all this back and forth, you still haven't produced a single statistic stating how many people killed by the US Mercenary force in Iraq. In fact, you haven't even tried. Your numbers are ALL summary numbers which cover US Regular military, Mercenaries, and deaths from civil unrest(no direct US involvement). When you can use facts to justify your opening statement as anything but idiotic and unfounded politically motivated rhetoric put out to fuel anti-us sentiment, perhaps you will be worthy of a response. Given your views on Kosovo, I won't hold my breath. As a side note, war is ugly. There is a legitimate argument to be made that, had the US not been so concerned about waging a "humane" war(concerned about civilian lives), the prolonged insurgency would never have happened. There is certainly historical precedence.
the thing is i know a bit more about the US army than you do...i base this statement on the fact that i have been on the receiving side of your war efforts and know it from an angle that you, hopefully, never will... its not as simple as just blaming most of the massive death toll on civil unrest and "insurgency" (i hate this word to death)...the root of this civil unrest lies in your foreign policy...iraq was not the terror zone it is today before US politics graced the region...the people of iraq lived in peace before honest honest bill clinton and the bush dynasty went after their oil...to tell the absolute truth: iraqis dont really care to take on the worlds #1 mercenary army they would rather get on with their life... when people like your leaders $ee an intere$t in somebody el$e$ land and OIL their media starts with BS propaganda that has 2 effects: 1) pull wool over the US citizens eyes about the human beings living in the region they are about to invade/bomb/fuck up for decades and more importantly: 2) silence any democratic/moderate opposition in the region and polarize the region to suit effect 1) from above so as to sugar coat the situation for your media and make it more palatable for your domestic audience... ive been a witness to #2 myself, i saw the rise of milosevic in my country and the complete silencing of any democratic opposition ...bombs and bullets aside (you get the negative effect of this i dont really have to explain) lets look at how serbs become "ethnic cleansers" or iraiqs become "insurgents"... i offer you the rodney king unrests in your own civilized country (no sarcasm) as an example well known to you...a couple of cops beat up a black guy and all hell breaks loose...just one little incident and a strong rich nation is almost divided over it...public unrest and riots!...now imagine somebody coming and pouring gasoline on this little fire...i mean big time gasoline like global satanization of, just for example, the white people in your country...imagine somebody, just for arguments sake, started global "anti US white people" propaganda and gave political and logistical support to your black population and later on military intervention...not to mention economic sanctions and the complete and utter destruction of your economy and livelyhood like in my country... what would the white people in your country do? bend over and take it in the ass? i think not...at this moment you, and your white countrymen become "insurgents"...not that you wanted to become insurgents and not that you actually had anything against black people...its not like you wanted to have a war in your country over bullshit...but fact is nobody asked you shit (im well aware nobody has the political/military power to actually do this to the USA and that your government would simply do a "wako" on them but for arguments sake please bear with me) this is a strong rich country divided before one single foreign mercenary steps foot on your soil just from the media war and economic sanctions...no gasoline, no import/export, huge inflation (we had a 500.000.000.000 dinar note at one time and prices changed 2x/day), no democratic opposition, no medicine , no free media, no jobs...just meltdown... then the bombing campaigns start...no electricity , no food, no going out, no transport just 9/11 type of shit only on a much bigger and more organized scale...remember how you felt during 9/11? well thats nothing you knew it would stop that day, but we (serbs/iraqis) knew it would most certainly not stop and that it was just the beginning...ok im not serb but you get what im trying to say... then the mercenaries come...can you imagine the hatred you would feel towards a foreign invader mercenary army that plain fucked up your life and livelyhood over LIES and politics? can you imagine being told what to do by some foreign drop out loser who could not score a better job in his rich rich country than to become a gun for hire and fly over half the globe to bullshit you around? times like these spawn the ethnic cleansers and terrorists and suicide bombers...your actions are, paradoxically alquaidas BEST FRIEND and recruiter...you see its not hard to make a case against you to some poor hugry arab who just lost his family to your murder campaigns and all hopes of ever leading a normal life...not that life was roses and peaches before all this invader bullshit...it only takes a few people to start a mexican wave like it only takes a few people to start a ethnic cleansing campaign or an insurgency...the moderates and the democrats are long silenced with your bombs and invasion...there are no jobs and a better life is really not in sight... the 100.000 dead figure is downplayed a lot because im not taking in to account how many people die indirectly (the old the weak the hungry the sick) from stuff like no food, no medication, no job ect ect...but more importantly the 100.000 figure is a direct result of all of the above...whether they died from your US bomb or bullet of whether they died from an improvised strap on bomb makes no difference they died from YOUR POLITICS and your mercenary army is its deaf and dumb enforcer... above you wrote something very funny "humane war" ...there is no such thing...there is only something called "media friendly war" and is not to be confused with the term humane...humane and the words bombs/bullets/mercenary do not go in the same sentence...your government knows EXACTLY about all the stuff i wrote above much better than i do...i dont doubt the US drop out mercenary thinks he is actually contributing to a "better future" as i dont doubt that the strap on bomber is tripping out his actions will do the same...i just dont give a shit about peoples delusions and call murder by its real name...if i came to your country with a gun/bomb i would have to be high on crack to think i was there to do some good... define a coward: somebody who joins the biggest and most equipped mercenary army in the world for money and goes and bombs/kills 3rd world defenseless civilians forced in to war by his mercenary masters politics...takes no balls at all...
Milosevic supporter. Did I call it, or what. So true! Our consumption is a threat to the entire planet. We are creating global warming. Our consumption creates sweat shops and slave labor in the third world. We are really the biggest threat to the planet. As I said, there is nothing you can't blame us for, directly, or indirectly. Haven't you seen "the story of stuff"? LoL. I see you forgot about the invasion of Kuwait. Was that an Iraqi humanitarian envoy? Slaughter of the Kurds? Years long Iran Iraqi conflict? Do you really think everyone you talk to has absolutely no historical context, so as to accept your BS at face value? Here is where I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish you were right. I wish we had pumped the oil out of Iraq. Seriously. I'm not joking. You think invading a country is cheap? I had to help pay for that crap. I helped pay for the liberation of Kuwait too. It seems pumping the oil out would be the least the US government could do. Unfortunately, they didn't, AS YOU WELL KNOW. We've already been there and done that. During the Vietnam conflict, the USSR backed communist party in America was actively fomenting violence. Our recent presidential candidate, John Kerry, actually sat at meetings with people on the payroll of the country we were fighting, talking about killing sitting US Senators to effect political change. Isn't amazing we managed to get through it all without turning to ethnic cleansing? The mindset it takes to justify ethnic cleansing as a "logical" response to perceived outside interference in your politics(as if the conflicts in that region of the world didn't predate the existence of the US) is beyond me. You seriously need to knock off the crack pipe. No, I can't imagine you telling me what to do. I do know that Marines risked their lives and died to do the job you were too much of a coward to do though. Only the cowards my friend. Only the cowards. Someone who sits idly by and watches his own countrymen organize an orderly mass murder of women and children along ethnic lines, runs away when asked to take a side, and then calls those who were brave enough to do what he was unwilling to do cowards, baby killers, drop outs, morons, and the cause of the problem. If you have a mirror, I can even show you a picture.
We are actually witnessing climate change, which happens naturally. Continue on, trust your technocrats and experts, maybe you will get a few extra carbon credits in the future for your dedicated obedience. One question, does your daily life consists of gaia worship while idolizing Al Gores poster on your wall? We're not invading the middle east for money, those who are putting us in the wars can have all the money they want (central banking, which you seem to love). It's for control and to force feed our so-called "democracy" aka, get them on the right track to join up with the globalists (United Nations) eventually. I'm also not surprised a neo-con like yourself wishes we would have taken oil from them. It's funny that the few targets the UN and elitist have are, individualists and countries who they don't agree with. Collectivism is their cup of tea, not freedom or rights.
Your statement is illogical. If we are there to force feed democracy as a means to globalism, the eventual goal is wealth by means of new markets for our corporations. If the goal is wealth, pumping the oil out is a natural sequitur. Of course I don't buy into all that malarkey. I just think pumping the oil out would go a long way in balancing the budget after paying for the invasion. Companies like Haliburton and Blackwater don't work for free you know.
I was stating democracy as a reason, in regards to the reasoning we americans have been given. To spread democracy and to fight "terrorists", war on terror/fear mongering/creating panic to get a weak controllable society, whatever you want to call it. An even better option to balance the budget would to get out of the 700+ bases our military has around the world and focus on bringing our country back to what made it so great (freedom - which is what boosts innovation, markets and personal liberty). All in all, the wars in the middle east were and still are unjust. Our military/government supports an endless war. Eliminating terrorists completely will never happen, if anything this war has increased hatred rather than diminished it.
Control is a factor, but it comes down to financial gain, leaving your original statement illogical. We could also round up all the welfare recipients in the nation and have summary executions. One could make that argument about any war. Hate makes the world go round.
It may slightly come down to financial gain, but not for those who are encouraging our government to go into the middle east. They are after control of the country to further globalization, not a few extra bucks. As for hate making the world go around, no for ordinary people. For globalists on the other hand, the feed off of hate. It creates an unstable society that can be directed into whichever way they wish. It gives them the ability to remove rights from the population in exchange for "security". As for summary executions for welfare recipients, eh, pretty extreme. I'd rather go with the path of slowly eliminating (right away if it was my choice) benefits, while creating a stable economy with actually job growth and innovation. Besides, they are basically handed the free money and grants, to make the more depended on the government (to reduce any kind of disagreement/overthrow of their ideology).
That is one way of looking at it. The true end result of globalization is stability. If China did not hold so much of our debt, they would likely already be bombing the cr*p out of us. Globalization breeds love/hate but stable relationships founded on mutual gain and capitalism. Hate, on the other hand, is not an ideology exclusive to any group, including the Paulistas. No more extreme then immediately ending all of our foreign entanglements. The net (short term) benefit to our bottom line is about the same(or better). It is just a different group of people that would die.
I don't understand why so many Americans are afraid of China, it might be a big economy but militarily its *very* weak. They have a big but ill equipped army, an obsolete naval fleet (you know the kind one keeps in museums) and a small airforce. I would say that even the Taiwanese army is better logistically.
@obamanation milosevic supporter? you must be really desperate LOL...ok ill just brand you a saddam supporter...dont know why but hell if you dont need a reason neither do i...oh and you are a pedophile too LOL,...tit for tat eh? as for your been there done that weak attempt at washing the blood of your hands you have nuclear deterrent and ways to deliver so you got to settle stuff in your own country without foreign influence...the 3rd world defenseless countries your mercenaries so bravely attack dont have this option...but i can well understand why you ignore your obvious guilt in turning defenseless 3rd world countries in to war zones.. nice try with the iran-iraq-kurds stuff...who gave saddam weapons and support? oh right it was the good ol war mongering US gov if i am a coward in your eyes for not wanting to take arms against a minority then this is amusing to no end...i know that sending well armed mercenaries to fight in bombed-to-stone-age defenseless 3rd world countries is something you consider as "brave" LOL and i can understand that explaining courage to you is like explaining colors to a blind man so i wont stress your little mind with things beyond your comprehension LOL who controls iraqi oil? oh right the US gov i trust the USgov sooooo much...no really...no im being serious LOL i dont think even you believe this one...your "i REALLY REALLY wish you were right" sentence says it all you REALLY REALLY think other countries resources belong to you...hell its american culture 101...stealing/oppression is just part of your culture... if you at least had a double digit IQ you would understand that 100.000-s of armed mercenaries on other peoples land=not good...and im not talking just about the poor 3rd world defenseless people you oppress but also about your own "non collateral damage" US citizenship carrying americans...being the most hated nation in the world is not a good thing in times of progress of technology...one day you will push the envelope too far and all it will take is a vial of some nasty bacteria and the whole world will pay for your BS...you just have to "klingon" the world enough and sure as hell action=reaction...its the basic law of nature well above your empire...its a shame you know...you could have used that that murder money to create a better future for your own country instead of oppressing others...
its not about the weapons... chineese defense strategy: they have one billion people...when war starts they send say 2 million people (0.2% of the population) your way to surrender...according to the geneva convention you have to take care/feed prisoners of war...can you imagine the cost involved?...once you take care of the 2million they send say 10million...after this they send 100 million...you must provide food and shelter...you will be bankrupt in like 2 weeks granted they cant send 2 million to US soil but air-strikes mean nothing against a vast country like china...you have to base your troops somewhere near them for a ground attack...so they send the POW there...or they send say 200 million people to surrender your key euro allies...same story...
Another hate filled and factless post by AtvKing. Does this stuff sell well in Serbia? There wasn't enough coherent content in your six paragraph post to even comment on. You seem very angry, specifically at the US. I have a few friends who are Croatian, who have nothing but good things to say about our involvement there. I can only speculate at the true cause of your anger, but it seems fairly obvious you don't like how the whole thing played out. Let me ask you, do you think Milosevic should have been tried for war crimes?
well the separatists would have only good things to say about your support for their nationalist separatist little war wouldnt they just like you only have good things to say about your murder campaigns...demagogues do what demagogues do... i was very clear about what i think about milosevic quit with the stupid questions or actually read what i write eh?...milosevic can rot in hell along with all other war mongers... and of course i dont like how the whole thing played out...100.000s of dead over separatist/nationalist bullshit...does not take a genius to figure that one out...but no im not full of hate im nothing like your mercenaries or separatist buddies...hate is when you take arms and kill remember?...not me...if you are ever in my part of the world drop by i have coratian/albanian/serbian/american/chineese/gypsy and even srilankan friends...i hate nobody and value human life more waaaaaaaay more than you do...we can drink beer and i can laugh at your BS
So you hate Milosevic, and you hate the people who brought him to justice. That sounds like double the hate those who took only side of the issue have. Of course you claim not to have acted on your hate, but your constant promotion of your hatred helps those who will act on it to justify their actions. You've gone so far as to justify their actions in several of your posts. I'm sure you don't feel any personal responsibility in that, do you.
i did not "justify" anything this is just you plain making shit up again...hating war mongers is natural and needs no explanation...there is no justification for people who drop bombs/murder civilians...especially not for the brave brave bomb dropping mass murdering US mercenaries who fly over half the globe to 3rd world defenseless countries and force people in to war and then call them "insurgents" and "collateral damage"...if i point out your cowardice this in no way means that i justify milosevic or anything any other war monger did...if i point out that nobody likes your mercenary invaders this is not justification is just stating a fact...walk with an american flag through iraq and see who is wrong you seem to accuse me of everything YOU are guilty of yourself: hate, justification of mass murder of civilians, cowardice, being an idiot...sounds like classical freudian projection to me LOL...
If you are asking whether I feel personal responsibility for the actions of our troops, the answer is yes. The support of the American people is what allows our government, and therefore our men in uniform, to do what they do. What I was pointing out, is that you do not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide "According to the ICRC data, 200,000 people were killed, 12,000 of them children, up to 50,000 women were raped, and 2.2 million were forced to flee their homes." How many of those people, your own country men, women, and children, do you take personal responsibility for? Answer: None. You've somehow managed to blame their deaths on........................... the U.S.A.! Wheee!!!!!!!! You could be an internet star on Y.A.F.M. Do you really believe our planes are flown by Mercenaries? Really? How is the Easter Bunny?
i dont agree with the 2.2 million people figure you posted...its much more...just serbia took more than 1 million refugees...the figure is much more...i should know i am a refugee myself... i take no personal responsibility at all what are you talking about??? i did not want to fight anybody i fled...how could i be responsible if i did not want to take arms and fight a minority? are you on crack? and yes the US government gave rise to separatists/nationalists in my former country before this there were no refugees/deaths/killing/madness...pour gasoline on a small fire and all shit breaks loose what dont you understand? your gasoline? and yes your planes are flown by mercenaries...US army planes are flown by paid US "pilots" when you get payed to kill/bomb this makes you a mercenary it does not matter if you carry a gun or fly a plane murder is murder...i should say terrorist but a terrorist does it for free (not that it makes him any better im just pointing out that your guys do it for money)...