What can you suggest to stop terror?

Gtech

Even I don't agree with you but I admire your loyalty in defending your partner in paranoia, Arnie. At least you didn't leave the sinking ship and tried some how to make a last desperate try to close the hole, even if everyone could see that it would fail.

 

Still assuming?

You think I care whether you agree with me or not? Talk about a bloated ego My self-esteem is just fine, thank you!

It's not about whether you assume you are right. I don't care one way or another. Arnie is entitled to his opinion and beliefs, whether they match mine or anyone elses. And you are entitled to attack him on those, even though they were not clearly (or even) defined at all. Nice job. Swing the bat before the ball is even thrown.

Just because I don't blast Arnie over something YOU assumed, doesn't mean I agree with what you assume he's saying.

Actions speak louder than words. Just because you say you "act" a certain way, doesn't mean you actually do it.

 

Now, thats funny. Who's having paranoia? Gworld, if that theme wouldn't be so sad, I'd laugh about you more.

There are extreme good infos on this websites and some I'd consider a bit paranoid and judgemental, but such is the nature of seventh days adventists.
Have you looked at the index page only?
Yes, I agree that some of it is more like entertainment, but one must know that the Seventh Day Adventist church is the most hated by the vatican, as they are bringing up some serious issues to deal with, what we normally love to ignore.

And haven't you realized what "Ratzi" the pope said in his inauguration mass. -Every other Churches are sects, this was his message, pointing to protestrants and others. Now, that was spoken not from just someone, it was said by an eldery person who claims to be the vicar of Jesus Christ on earth, missleading millions of people.

I love to go to the services of Seventh Day Adventists some time on a Sabbath and really enjoy it. I feel more recharged on that day when I worship the Lord than on any other day.

 

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=329747&page=1&pp=30

 

Very informative. Good to know this thread.

 

Yes. Very few posters are that articulate and thorough.

If you have any specific questions about Islam, hope over to that forum, and ask SK.

 

I prefer the post from KhanPaulsen, Syrian Kid gives quite some good insight into islamic methods though.

 

You mean towards the end of the thread?

KhanPaulsen only appears at the very end of the thread, right?

 

Most recent alqaida threat

The document warns there will be no end to the insurgency. "The call for jihad goes on until doomsday, whether there is an imam calling for it or not."

 

Maybe if there was an end to the insurgency and these radical groups just stopped killing people things might actually settle down. What I cannot understand is why they continue to hate and kill. Many of those they kill are their own people, not just US Troops. Perhaps if they simply stopped, took some time to enjoy life we could all just move on.

Wishful thinking...

 

I don't think they hate everything that they — that we stand for. In fact, the same polls that show the depths of their hatred of our policies show a very strong affection for the traditional American sense of fair play, the idea of rule by law, the ability of people to educate their children. I think the mistake is made on our part to assume that they hate all those things. What they hate is the policy and the repercussions of that policy, whether it's in Israel or on the Arabian Peninsula. It's not a hatred of us as a society, it's a hatred of our policies

 

Ok, but do they have to kill everything they hate or do not agree with? They could start a movement, run for office, vote....

 

Gworld,

Both what you and MIA are discussing has been addressed in the thread I pasted the link to recently. That thread is a MUST for anybody who has been following this thread here at DigitalPoint (and wants to understand the Muslim mentality regarding warfare). Let me paste one of the opening replies:

What does it mean to hate "the West" and what does the west represent to a Muslim?

If by the West you mean North American and Europe, a few generalities can be said about this.

This is not about being jealous of MTV or clubbing or 20" rims or drinking or dancing or music or tv shows. The conflict unfolding before our eyes is a "war of civilizations," a conflict between the rule of God and the rule of man on Earth. This is bigger than democracy, we are witnessing the events that will lead to the emergence of the Anti-Christ and the return of Jesus (pbuh) on Earth.

Muslims do not hate the Christian nor Jewish identities of the West. Muslims are forbidden from killing or harming people for their religion especially the People of the Book (shared revelation). In fact, the average Muslim wishes that the West would ACT like the Jewish and Christian Scriptures instruct them to act, but sadly Judaism and Christianity were infiltrated by Capitalism and Secularism Centuries ago. Not having any outlined political or economic structures to begin with, the two religions were quickly consumed by a mass of disbelieving ideologies such as "sovereignty is for the people, not for God" and "separation of Church and state".

The idea that Muslims have negative sentiments towards Western Civilization can be traced no earlier than the beginning of the 20th Century. The Ottoman Empire, the last existing version of the Islamic State, broke into separate nation-states around 1924, weakened internally with nationalism and externally from the eastern Balkan sectors, north west from WWI infighting, and south-west (where nationalist Christian Arabs were migrating and "preaching nationalism").

Arabs were taught to separate from themselves and their Muslim brothers because of European notions of nationality and other un-Islamic forms of congregation and bases of unity. Divided, each state was capped with an instated dictator or tribal king, who ruled by secularism, socialism, communism, monarchy, every type of rule but Islam. Today the fraud is called "ruling by legislative democracy".

By 1948, Israel had been created in the Middle East, a perpetual source of conflict, pegged in the middle of the M.E. with the support of the British and American Zionists. A continous watch tower in the ME to insure that Muslims remained declawed and distracted from political Islam.

Since 1924, the year Muslims stopped ruling by God's laws, Muslims have seen nothing but poverty, conflict, death, and humiliation. Each time they united under some banner other than Islam (such as nationalism, language, socialism) they failed miserably at the hands of every single "western state".

Today, Muslims have made such a strong come back in numbers and ideology that I would compare it to the state of the community much earlier than when it had weakened in 1924. The pit of spiritual weakness would be traced to the 1950s, the height of nationalism, socialism, and western influence in tv and music.

Still politically suppressed, Muslims now recognize the long history of Western cooperation that led to the fall of the Islamic state and the source of every other failed ideological point of unity. They see plainly the West's influence on Muslim youth in the west, and how ideas such as (capitalism, legislative democracy, nationalism, sexuality, pop-culture, materialism) are colonially exported to Muslim countries as an attempt to distract people from Islam, both ideologically and politically. In addition, they recognize the damage that Capitalism and Secularism have done to the People of the Book, to people who believe in God in general, the very Christians and Jews who helped instate these false ideologies had lost control and were now being suppressed from preaching about God by legions of "politically correct" atheists, humanists, and homosexuals.

Today, any Muslim who hates "the west" would hate if for these reasons, because "it" continues to propagate false doctrines and ideologies, distracting and suppressing Muslims from the only purpose of life, to live and rule by Islam.

Muslims plainly see that the Iraq war, and all other wars on Islam are wars of civilizations, an attack on Islam, the last bastion of Godliness, the only religion on the planet with a complete political and economic system. A campaign against "terror" has been created by Capitalists and Secularists and other disbelievers as well as some spiteful Peoples of the Book, to once again rally oblivious Jews and Christians and agnostics against Muslims.

The "war on terror" is designed to make every single person either detest Islam with all his heart or recognize it as Truth and become Muslim. Eventually, each non-Muslim country will find a justification to push into Muslim land. From the West, from Israel, from the North East, and from the seas.

The effect, of course, will be to congregate the Muslims until they are back to back, and left with nothing but knowledge of God's plan, and God's Will.

Before Jesus (pbuh) returns to unite Muslims with other believers, the anti-Christ will appear. And you can bet that the anti-Christ will lead the forces of the world against Islam with all his might. He will fail.

The Qur'an teaches justice in all aspects of life, especially warfare.

This is the meaning of Jihad:

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000798.aspx

Muslims are becoming more and more violent, justifiably or not, because the Muslim world has been without the Islamic state for some 80 years now, and has been tried by God Almighty since 1924.

I predict that all forms of violence by Muslims, justified or not by Islam, will end only once the Islamic state is re-established.

The reason violence is wide-spread today, is because people have misunderstood the purpose of Jihad in relation to the Prophetic tradition in establishing the Islamic state. Contrary to popular belief, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never performed offensive Jihad to establish the first Islamic state, only to defend the Islamic state once it had been established or expand it into feuding pagan-ruled land.

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The thread I'm taking this from has over 3,000 posts in it and is where you want to be, if you want to follow up on any of the points made here.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=329747&page=1&pp=30

 

spdude

The thread that you posted explains nothing except more religious non-sense and active fantasies like Anti-Christ. The problems are based on social-economical problems of today and present policies of different countries and it got very little to do with some old books like Koran or Bible.
That said, it is human nature that we always try to find proof or justification for what we feel or believe in through different sources. American Talibans fine it in the bible and Muslims fine it in Koran.

 

It is very difficult to run for office or vote when your country is occupied or you are sitting in a prison cell without being charged for anything.

 

Occupied by who? I'm not certain I understand.

 

Have you corrected yourself here and are showing true face? So, you're one of them.
(I love some times to pay you back with your strategies you're using)

What? - Rule? Law? Education? Their children?

They just killed over 800 people in Thailand within 18 months, burned down over hundred schools, attacking policestations and public properties.

 

Arnie

I just wanted to show the paranoia of people like you and Gtech that will attack anybody who don't agree with you by calling them Muslim terrorists.

My previous posting is word by word quote from 22 year veteran of CIA and head of Bin Laden section in CIA. Do you mean that he is a Muslim terrorist?

Here is the link to his interview with Andrea Mitchell. You can see that my posting is a quote from his answer to a question asked by Mitchell.

CIA insider (Muslim Terrorist according to Arnie)

 

And here is gworlds (parroted?) quote.

and no hint to another source

and I said this...

Have you corrected yourself here and are showing true face? So, you're one of them.
(I love some times to pay you back with your strategies you're using)

What? - Rule? Law? Education? Their children?

They just killed over 800 people in Thailand within 18 months, burned down over hundred schools, attacking policestations and public properties.

and now I add on>>> what about the last paragraph? No comment? This just happens with no need to worry for you?

I post facts not bubbles! - unlike you gworld!

 

Arnie

I understand you are upset for calling a CIA veteran, Muslim terrorist but Your last post didn't make sense at all. There was not a word in my previous posting which was not from the interview, so I don't know what you are talking about except repeating the same paranoia rant.

I just didn't put the link to the source because I knew you or Gtech will react like this and you proved me right.