Intelligent people condemn bigotry from all side and by everyone independent if the person is called Hitler or Gtech because they know that even if they can hide behind many names, causes or religions, their true and only belief is hatred. These are good examples: The Catholic laity in Slovakia was taught by their clergy that the Nazis were doing the will of Jesus Christ in exterminating the Jews. In 1942 before Passover, Rabbi Michael Dov-Ber Weissmandel asked for help from a fellow clergy person and long-time acquaintance, Archbishop Kametko. Rabbi Weissmandel begged the archbishop to intervene with President Tisso, to prevent the expulsion of the Jewish population from Slovakia. Archbishop Kametko replied "This is no mere expulsion. There you will not die of hunger and pestilence; there they will slaughter you all, young and old, women and children, in one day. This is your punishment for the death of our Redeemer. There is only one hope for you, to convert to our religion. Then I shall effect the annulling of this decree." (See "Min Hamezar", in "Faith After the Holocaust", Eliezer Berkovits, Ktav, 1973, pp. 16-17.) In fall 1945, Rabbi Michael Dov-Ber Weissmandel escaped from a deportation to Auschwitz. He approached the papal nuncio (Catholic papal delegate) for help in stopping the extermination of Slovakian Jews. The official response was "This, being a Sunday, is a holy day for us. Neither I nor Father Tisso occupy ourselves with profane matters on this day." Rabbi Weissmandel asked how the murder of innocent men and women, children and babies could be considered "profane" by Christians. The Catholic Archbishop replied, "There is no innocent blood of Jewish children in the world. All Jewish blood is guilty. You have to die. This is the punishment that has been awaiting you because of that sin [the death of Jesus]." (Eliezer Berkovits, Faith, pp. 16-17.) In March 2002, however, the tape of the February 1, 1972 conversation between Billy Graham and President Nixon was made public. On the tape, Graham is heard agreeing with Nixon that left-wing Jews dominate the news media, and accusing Jews of being pornographers. He said the Jewish stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain" and went on, "A lot of the Jews are great friends of mine, they swarm around me and are friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel. But they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country. And I have no power, no way to handle them, but I would stand up if under proper circumstances." After the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack, Jerry Falwell (along with fellow televangelist Pat Robertson) made comments interpreted as blaming various groups for the attack. Falwell said: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen." Robertson then responded: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system. In an interview given on September 30, 2002 for the October 6 edition of 60 Minutes Falwell said: "I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war." Quotes by Pat Robertson "The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today." "Presbyterians are the spirit of the AntiChrist."
I didn't think you would condemn the hatred from your religion, but I thought I would at least give you the opportunity to do so. But you missed the question entirely. Why does islam have so much hatred for Christians and Jews?
Though there is some meat in your post, you're mixing the facts up badly. Are you confused? The Antichrist is whether a Jew or a Christian, neither a Muslim. What have the catholics and muslims in common? Catholics have taken from the pagans - the sun symbol to worship. You can see this in every cathedral all over the world. Everywhere the symbol of the sun and Sun-day worship. They could learn from the Jews what the Sabbath is and that it never has changed. Muslims have taken the moon as their symbol of worship. In Islam there is no female to be worshiped then Fatima, when I told them that Fatima is a catolic city in Portugal and used for idol worship, everyone bursted out in laughter. Together they would make a "great beast", isn't it?
Arnie The 2 quotes that you mentioned are from Pat Robertson, not mine. I haven't heard about the sun symbols in Cathedral and how Catholic have common roots with Muslims, Can you explain a little bit more? What is the "great beast"?
But who is the last "Beast"? "It came out of a country", remember all the beasts from before came out of water (which means spirit) What country? USA? - perhaps, but not the goverment or the people. The UN? - very likley, together under the strong influence of muslims and catholics together. I wonder if some OPUS DEI will comment on that?
Are you referring to Anti-Christ as beast? Do you mean that Anti-Christ will likely come from UN because it is influenced by Muslims and Catholics? Where is the reference to water that you mentioned, it is interesting because NY is next to water.
The original is somewhere in a New York Court when the Jesuits were charged with this oath around 100 years ago. In meanwhile the "opus dei" are more feared even within the Vatican. This all has nothing to do with faith and it doesn't mean that catolics are bad. Most of the catholics are extremly nice people and many are really faithful. But the spirit behind the system of the vatican can bwe considered as danger. The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits "I, ..........., now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed." "Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers." "I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same." "I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise." "I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant." "I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ." "That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me." "I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus." "In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!" "All of which, I, .........., do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant." (He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.) Superior: "You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank." "In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:-" Question:- From whither do you come? Answer:- The Holy faith. Q.:- Whom do you serve? A.:- The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world. Q.:- Who commands you? A.:- The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ. Q.:- Who received you? A.:- A venerable man in white hair. Q.:- How? A.:- With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order. Q.:- Did you take an oath? A.:- I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring. Q.:- Will you do that? A.:- I will. Q.:- How do you travel? A.:- In the bark of Peter the fisherman. Q.:- Whither do you travel? A.:- To the four quarters of the globe. Q.:- For what purpose? A.:- To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths. Q.:- Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."
Very interesting Arnie but can you explain how the catholics and Muslims can bring about the Anti-Christ and what is the relation to UN? I understand that this is the oath of Jesuits but aren't all Catholic suppose to obey the pope? As I understand you, the pope will take part in bringing the Anti-Christ, doesn't this mean that all Catholics will also help? Can you explain little bit more about how Catholics worship pagan God of sun and where do you usually find the sign in Cathedrals?
It would take to long for now, but I will explain some time later. To explain it shortly. It was not intended to be so at the beginning of the catholic church. All this slipped in during the centuries But just take your time and visit a catholic church (building) you'll find everywhere a symbol of the sun, even the bread to eat for the remembrance of Christ is round and symbolyzing the sun. Look at their crosses. Behind allmost every cross is a symbol of the sun or at least its rays, the windows, doors. Its all rather materialistic then spiritual and therefore the same as with Islam
Well that is what it is about. Muslims hate Jews and their religion teaches them to. It will be interesting to see what develops.
you guys see some of sad sack jews playing it up for the camera, people holding babies crying If you care about your kid would wait with with them to resist soldiers? They were paying the people to move out of there.
Ah no. Catholisism is like a democracy. You can follow things pretty loosely and are not "required" or "obiligated" to do anything. You can disagree with the Pope all day long. And you know what, you are not going to hell. I know of only one Catholic that refuses to use birth control because the Pope says so. Very few take everything litteraly. I think you are confusing islam and allay here, along with the fanatic few who seek to detroy the world to make it a better place for hatred and stupidity. I think you need to take some time learning a bit more about the Catholic church before you go speaking out of school again. Here you are most ignorant.
It amazes me to no end that you could possibly call someone who hates a terrorist a racist. I fail to see how on earth I can be a racist for hating muslim terrorists or any terrorist for that matter muslim or otherwise. I see no difference between the two, ie., a non-muslim terrorist and a muslim terrorist. It's all the same to me. I hate muslim terrorists, yep, I said it. That makes me a bigot? If so, I'm fine with that. That makes me racist? Ok, again, I'm fine with that. I have 9/11 to thank for that. Prior to being attacked by MUSLIM TERRORISTS, I could not care either way. Never made fun of a MUSLIM TERRORIST, and never would have hated or bashed a MUSLIM TERRORIST. Never called for the death of a MUSLIM TERRORIST, and certainly did not enjoy hearing about killing MUSLIM TERRORISTS. However, thanx to MUSLIM TERRORISTS attacking my country and my family, I am now against MUSLIM TERRORISTS. I want nothing to do with Islam. I would like to see it go away. That makes me a racist? We are at war. I especially like getting the red rep from programmer, no he did not sign his name, but it was pretty obvious who it was. Called me "racist scum". Bizzare that people would label you a racist for hating terrorists.
I'm flooded with red reps with comments like - "insane" - and "u r either against us or for us, u r a terrorist" - that one was from the welcome thread. Don't worry ... and indeed I also see red when I smell something fishy...and soooo inocent.
Thanks Arnie So as I understand you think that Pope, his Jesuit followers and Muslims are going to bring about Anti-Christ most likely through the UN. Do you think it is only Pope and Jesuits that are involved or all the Catholics? In your opinion why the Catholic and Muslims are working together? Is the Muslim terrorism part of this campaign to bring the Anti-Christ and if so, do you think that Catholics are involved in it to? When do you think that Catholics started with paganism rituals and the Sun? Where they always like this or do you think in a specific date in history like 100,200,300... years ago that the pope or Jesuits changed the Catholic religion and became part of Anti-Christ camp?
Sorry to interrupt your flame fest with this off-topic post. Here is a pretty interesting articles on withdrawing troops from Iraq. This site is packed with interesting info on Iraq in general. Juan Cole
Here's an article from two days ago where Juan gets his ass served to him for his vile and despicable comments regarding a journalist that was killed in Iraq and he chose to attack: It's called courage. Carry on.