Mia, I think gputz is getting frustrated. "By God (oops, I mean allah) show me your doggone proof. It doesn't matter than I chickened out on my moon god and refused to show proof, I'm in charge and I want that evidence." I just can't help laughing my ass off!
Repeat of previous posting. Still the question stands as I stated in my previous post, don't try to change the subject: "I agree that I use other sources such as Senate Intelligence committee to prove that you talk nonsense and have no idea what you are talking about and your postings are base on stupid stories that you hear. Arnie, tell me about your personal investigation and experiences that proves 9/11 hijackers came from Canada. Or even better, send it to Senate or CIA since they have no idea about such important facts. Arnie, Mia either show proof that 9/11 hijackers came from Canada like in your posting or admit that you don't know what you are talking about. No BS about sleepers here or there, your post said: Well most of the 9/11 terrorists found there way into the US by way of Canada. Shows us your "personal investigation" that proves this." Previous post After all you can not expect me to accept every moronic statement in your posting without you showing any facts to back it up. I used the US Senate Intelligence Committee report to back up my posting, what do you have?
Still demanding proof! "By God (oops, I mean allah), I'm going to defend my terrorist buds of something, no matter what it takes."
Should I write this in French? Would that help? I never said that they came from Canada. I said they found their way into the US by way of Canada. Many made safe passage back and forth between the motherland and Canada, and then into the US since often times a passport is not necessary to cross the border. Eventually, yes they did get Visa's in the US, but it was easy given their quasi-Canadian citizenship by proxy. Next topic.
I know you want me to ask no question to confirm the facts but unfortunately I can not accept everything just on a word of some morons.
They all got visa by US embassies and issued stay visa by INS on the port of entry. They all had Tourist/Business visa (B-1). They got visas in Saudi Arabia. None had Canadian Citizenship. Nice try anyway to get yourself out of the situation but you have to do better.
I'd rather you just make your case like a logical person for the positions you take with the facts YOU find. Sometimes you attempt to do that, but most of the time you seem intent on demanding proof from everyone else. Why you choose to defend your terrorist buds is your business. You failed to do that with your moon god. I took a different approach with you on that one and you were left doing everything in your power to avoid any further comment on it. You were wrong. Admit it and move on.
Mia never made an argument for any of these things. He did not make an argument about their visas, what country of origin the visa was from nor their citizenship. Why trumpet all those as something he said, when he didn't? It's like someone saying they bought socks at Mervins. Then arguing they didn't because the only underwear on sale were white, all t-shirts were 50% off and Wrangler jeans were available in stonewash or dark blue.
Since you are such expert on what Mia said, why don't you explain this: Mia post said: Well most of the 9/11 terrorists found there way into the US by way of Canada. I said: They all got visa by US embassies and issued stay visa by INS on the port of entry. at least one of them applied for extension of his visa while staying in USA. They all had Tourist/Business visa (B-1). They got visas in Saudi Arabia. None had Canadian Citizenship. There is nothing that even shows that they have ever been in Canada. None entered USA through Canada. so what does Mia post means? and this is link to my previous post Previous post US Senate Intelligence Committee
gworld, was there a particular reason you omitted Mohamedou Ould Slahi and Abderraouf Jdey? Slahi had been in Canada since 1998 and recruited two of the 9/11 pilots, Marwan al-Shehhi, who was the pilot of UA Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center; and Ziad Jarrah, the pilot of UA 93 that went down in a field near Pennsylvania. He also had close ties/connections with Mohammed Atta. His associate, Ahmed Ressam, was captured trying to drive across the Canadian border with explosives. Abderraouf Jdey had been in Canada since 1991 and obtained Canadian citizenship in 1995. Jdey was initially part of the 9/11 hijackers, but was held back from the operation (possibly for a second wave of attacks.) Both of these scum were implicated in the 9/11 Report. They may not have flown the plane into the buildings, but they were from Canada and part of the plot.
It just means you didn't supply all the information in your defense, as I noted above. There were some from Canada involved. They may not have flown the plane into the building, but one was involved in recruiting the pilots and the other was to be a part of the operation but was held back. Are you saying these two do not qualify as Canadians? I mean, if I were a Canadian, I would denounce them, but that doesn't exclude their participation.
I guess it means whatever you think you feel it needs to mean. Because no matter how I mean it or meant it, you will interpret it completely the opposite. YMMV.
Gtech, Mia statement said: Well most of the 9/11 terrorists found there way into the US by way of Canada. Undisputed facts: 1- None of hijackers enetered USA through Canada 2- None of Hijackers have ever been in Canada 3- All got valid visas through US embassies 4- All issued stay visa by INS at port of entry now you try to make it sound like they knew somebody in Canada and therefore it is Canadian fault. Mohamedou Ould Slahi- got his training in Afghanistan fighting against Russian, probably trained by CIA. According to available information, he knew the hijackers through training in Afghanistan. entered Canada and left Canada in 2000 to avoid being arrested by Canadian, before that he was living in Germany. Abderraouf Jdey- As you mentioned he was not a 9/11 hijacker and may be he could have been part of second wave. He entered Canada in 1991, 10 years before the attack. let's make a score card USA 1- 19 hijackers get visa and live freely in USA. 2- Some of the people involved got their training by CIA. 3- The intelligence services failed in every turn to make a use of the information available to them. Canada 1 possible hijacker for second wave could have been here. Who is the incompetent? May be we should close our borders so the terrorists could not enter to Canada with their American visa? Mia, is it so difficult to admit that you didn't know what you were talking about and you were wrong?
wrong wrong Why are you so defensive all of a sudden? It bothers you when someone picks on your country doesn't it. Learn a lesson from that and leave us in the US alone. For the record no one said it was Canada's fault. I would however suggest that Canada's lack of an immigration policy is dangerous given the terror threats around the world today. I understand being a young developing third world country with such a small population you all want to encourage as many to come to Canada as you can. Most countries encourage this in their beginnings. However it is a different day and age. It's time to think about who you just let in. Oh, so now we're in competition? This gets more and more childish by the second. Funny. A. Most get into the US by way of Canada B. Most move freely back and forth between the US and Canada Assuming CIA in this case stands for Crazy Insane Arabs, I'll buy that. True, but looking at who was in charge of intelligence or the lack there of during those years... hmmmm 92-2000... Who could have been in charge then. I wonder. It's like talking to a wall isn't it. At least the wall can stand up.
We interrupt this thread for breaking news: The religion of peace strikes, yet again http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aXdTzW3cNjXg&refer=home Don't you ever get tired of defending these people gworld? Every day, muslims around the world are doing harm to others. Whether it's genocide, bombs, murders, Theo Van Gogh, reporters, blowing up cars, trains, buses, subways, airplanes, buildings, hotels, people, embassies, gathering of a crowd or anywhere else. Nothing but death and destruction. And gworld has an excuse for each one of them