My suggestion is to stop freaking talking about it all the time and go on with your life. The media blitz feeds the fire and the terrors passion.
<politely refusing to comment> oh man,,,,move this thread to the private area, that or set me up an alias ID so i can comment too.
Could be. I may have mis-read the implication. Fortunately abortion clinic bombings are not threatening our country or the world.
Mitz was correct, sorry for the confusion. I meant after other things, such as the abortion clinic bomings or abortion doctors being killed. I'm pretty sure (correct me if i'm wrong) we agreed to help afghanistan after they defeated Russia but instead we just left them in the dark... Either way, you cannot say that America hasn't provoked any of this and that we are 100% innocent in the whole deal. Our forces have killed thousands of Iraqi's, women and children, and at least hundreds of Afghans. You can call them "casualties of war" or whatever, but if I was in the same situation and my child or wife was killed, I would be pretty pissed off myself. I'm not however saying that it is all our fault, It's a huge combination of things, poverty, no education, murder, jealousy, religion, greed... they all play their own part in this.
yo-yo, thanks for clarifying on the christians point. We helped Afghanistan defeat the the Soviets with aid. That was our help. And we've helped many muslim nations. From the article in my signature: Muslims have killed far more than coalition troops in Iraq. The main difference being, we're not there to kill. The majority of deaths happened in the first part of the war when removing saddam from power. I note your outrage for those death. Oddly lacking is the outrage for the deaths committed DAILY and I mean DAILY by terrorists that want us to fail so they can come in from other countries and take over. While coalition troops work to help build Iraq up, building schools, helping locals, MUSLIMS from outside of Iraq are coming in and KILLING THEM. I may be wrong, but when's the last time we saw pictures of terrorists handing out candy to children? When's the last time we heard about terrorists building schools or adding electricity to areas that have not previously seen it? What do we see terrorists doing? We see: Oppressing women, as usual - http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041017-013506-9889r.htm Killing kids - http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...bomb_kills_at_least_25_in_baghdad_1121248373/ What do Iraqis think? They are tired of the terrorists. The same people *some* WANT TO WIN, these people are tired of: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/07/iraqis_march_ag.html Who threatened the Iraq people when they wanted to vote? - muslim terrorists So you tell me, who has their best interests at heart? Because the news I READ tells me that these terrorists are INDEED terrorizing Iraqis. Killing THEM daily. It is their intent. It is their goal. So while I understand your outrage over innocent death, perhaps directing some of it at those that are actually there to do, and are doing the killing, wouldn't hurt.
I can say NO. But then who was wrong? I can think about UN, Germany, France which made the major mistakes. If all would have joined together there would(should) have been more troops to control and seal the borders and the cities/provinces in Iraq. The bloodshed and loss of innocent lives could have been avoided. But none of the above mentioned was willing to walk the extra mile with a friend. Try to figure out, if the USA and Britain would not have reacted to this developement in the middle east, how much more terrorism we would face by now... What about Iran now? ... or Syria? Iran's sheltering the terrorists from Thailands south and the Philipines. Wow, and they want nuclear facilities for peaceful purposes? These are LIARS!!! ...endless lists ... Don't get me wrong - I don't hate the people but the spirit behind them.
I was just wondering what would a thread like this be like in Saddam's Iraq. Or maybe it would NOT have been allowed. Mind you, most likely internet would have been banned or censored. And also, if America is that bad (I'm not American) and someone is destroying it and making it worse and making all the countries in the world hate the US, why do thousands of people try to get in legally and illegally, day after day, and that doesn't happen in the best and richest Arab country? Well someone built America, someone needs to defend America. Luckily, America defends not only America but the whole western world, although I don't really know if France is included . The Bush bashing helped him stay at the Whitehouse, thank you guys, keep going, it might help again, who knows? Anyway, I didn't read many suggestions on what to do to fight terrorism! Soccer fans know Inter Milan and they might know that they pulled out of 4 friendly games that were scheduled in England, with one in London. Official excuse? Because security forces are already too busy to had more work for them (for what, guarding Inter Milan? Who cares?) Cowards? Probably yes. Consequence? Terrorism 1 - Inter Milan 0 (Oh, apparently if it was for the Champions league, that would have been a different story, but of course they're would have been more money involved...) Come on London! Business as usual...
Religion or not there would still be great wars. It's more of human nature. It's funny cuz my wife was just talking about 3rd world war and who she thinks this is going to happen. I hope not to agree but things suggest otherwise. Humans love to seperate each other my religious, race, money, creed or what have you. Wars have been fought for land, love, money or just ego. The next great war may very well start from religion but I think that's just a mask of other things. I am getting more concerned about oil prices, global poverty, and over population in some regions. We also have some odd things going on in countries with rogue regimes. Korea could start serious problems. You can't trust China either...I have thought for years that with a billion chineses neighboring a billion in india that one day they are gonna have to take each other out. It could be for any number of reasons why the next war starts and it's going to bloody when it does..whenever that is. The truth is that it will come and most likely in our lifetime. Let's all just hope the aliens come and tell us how to love peacefully. (It's 3am and I did lots of typos ..sorry)
Well hehe aliens may not like us and then decide to blow us all up j/k Religion is very powerful and much more so than money. If you are willing to die for something, you are willing to kill for it as well. Personally I believe that America is keeping a balance in this world that would not exist otherwise. Many here will disagree, but I don't care. Negotiations prevent wars, but sometimes words cannot do the job. I see a lot of criticism of our government, but I truly ignore it due to the lack of better solutions being presented. You can not ignore human nature or make it better than it is with "we should"s. People are selfish, point blank. Even though I am a Christian, I have endured the lectures of the Christian fundementalists and choose not to follow them. But I do see what is going on in the world today and what the book of Revelations predicts and believe that it is within God's will what is happening. I do expect to get bashed for this comment, but so be it. There are 1 Billion Muslims in this world and the arabic congress has been asked to vote on what is the most important issue in this world. The vote was casted towards the Israel - Palestinian issue. Anyone who is denying corrolations here is in denial. I hope to continue this debate in peace, but what needs to be said needs to be said. This is not about judging or stereotyping, but saying what needs to be said. Forget about Bush or whoever, let's look at the facts. Whatever you believe in will drive you.
The wars in the middle east are about strategic access to the oil fields. That's why Israel was chosen to be where it stands now after the second world war by the winning powers -- it's strategically placed in the region. If there was no oil in the region, there would be no western intervention. Simple as that. The only reason Saudi Arabia hasn't been invaded is because they've rigged their oil and gas fields to self destruct in the event of hostile forces entering the country. So long as the region can be kept destabilised and Afghanistan held as a strategic block against land based movements from the Russia and China, then the oil will continue to flow westwards. 'Terrorism' is today's handy buzzword just as 'weapons of mass destruction' or 'wmds' was yesterday's.
You're suggesting that after 9/11 we would have done nothing if there was no oil in the mid-east? We just sat around waiting for a big terrorist attack so a month later we could go over there for oil? I'm not buying it.
(Some of this is to yfs1, some just general to the thread) You may be right, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Especially in Europe, look what the dutch did when van gogh was shot. If the muslim terrorists press it, there will be backlash for all muslims, I believe. The Jews were innocent in Nazi Germany, but that did not prevent most of the populace from being complicit in their mistreatment in murder. And the Jews weren't even bombing things... I don't think it will take much more. But you should look up the Hadith's and the Sunnah. I've known lots of really nice muslim people, who follow the traditions and everything in America... So don't take this as a blanket statement of "all muslims believe this"... But in the Hadiths and Sunnah, there is much talk of genocide against the Jews, convert-or-die, murdering of infidels, forcing christians and jews to pay extra taxes for being infidels. It's there, and those are some of the core writings of the religion. But again, to be fair, look at the christian old testament, (some of which applies to Jews as well)... it is a violent, dark picture of life and man. Just as harsh as the hadiths and sunnah, however, we have found a way to incorporate it into democracy... but it has taken a very, very long time. You can't force people to change their minds, but that's what needs to happen, a type of social revolution in the middle east, where they combine their religion with the concept of western freedom. Until that happens, we will always fight, like we have since the very beginning of Islam.
I think the jews who ran from europe back to their ancestral homeland to establish a country where they could be secure MIGHT disagree with you. They were basically kept in british run camps until they were given their own state, and they had to fight basically all the Arab countries to keep it. I don't think anyone planned all that out. Plus, the House of Saud is always on the brink of losing the country to fanatics. I agree, if it weren't for the oil, we would have went straight for Saudi Arabia, not iraq. No, I think terrorism is a lot older and more stable than the word "WMD." It's been around for a long time, and it's quite apt. Of course, I think recently, it's about psychological terror as much as it is about economic terror.
Positive. If a man is willing to blow himself up for something he believes, than that force is more powerful than nature itself. His instinct to live, his reasoning ability, his sanity. You can never change that man's mind for him, only he could do it.
WOW! That's exactly what the terrorists want! Do you realize you want the same thing? mmmmmmmmm, you're not a terrorist, are you? Of course they want you dead as well, unless you're a muslim...