It seems this thread has come to end. I invite every one reading this thread to go through the last pages and see how people like Gtech, mia, debunked,... had nothing to say except repeating the couple of hate quotes or phrases copied from different web sites or heard in different ultra-right hate forum. As soon as their hate quotes was challenged, they are running away to the shadows that this type of people and ideas hide themselves awaiting the suitable environment of hate, racism, illiteracy to show their ugly heads again. They have nothing to say or contribute to discussion except endless repeat of their hate quotes and name calling any one who challenges them. The only effective way to fight terrorism is through open dialog, respect of other and finding the solutions that is fair and just to all groups. Unfortunately close minded people on both side whose main goal is to increase the hate and violence, will try their hardest to stop the peace process and this is true independent of, if their name is Gtech, mia or bin laden.
I'll be loading my guns while you waste time discussing it. I expect to HAVE to use them in the near future regardless of your "dialog".
To fight terrorism we need to unite and look at facts as they are...after examination we need to come up with meassures against it, no matter how popular or unpopular they are...the goal is to eliminate terrorism from the face of the earth...and that is calling for a more active role of Muslim states - which to date remains to be seen. Obviously many Muslim countries and supporters playing a cat mouse game. These people and countries must be addressed with toughest approach as possible too. Lip services are not enough, now action is what we need and that what counts. The world is not going to wait forever. It lies in the muslim world to make sense or else there will be a time where reconsiliation of any kind will fail. Some may say that we are not at war with Islam. - Think twice and who declared the Jihad which so many try to downplay. Hate is is propagated in every level of Islam and its outbrake of violence against none muslims turned into a strategic warfare with no overdose of distubance and terror they create so skillfully to blind the world with a double and tripple standard approach; - how long will and can that last? To fight terroism we can't effort to react on and by their standards but address the cause firmly and united. The sooner the better.
The thread will end when you go away. So do us all a favor and just leave. You are not contributing anything useful to the thread. See ya.
People want to "fight terrorism". The problem is that terrorism is not the cause. It is the effect. If you want to eradicate terrorism you need to ask yourself "why" before pulling out the gun. I know what "why" is but I will let you guys figure it out for yourselves.
Come on tell us more... You said "it is the effect" Effect of what? Of evil? - Yes I can agree, but thats not what you want to tell us, is it?
We can hardly agree on the evil thing. When someone sets fire to a forest people will label the person as evil. But just as terrorists evil is just a label... It's not the cause. In pyromania the cause is almost always impulse-control disorder. People don't do things because of the "evil". If people believe someone is evil they don't have to ask themselves "Why?". They will just believe it. For them evil will be the cause. But it isn't. Evil is just a label. Labels are great because they allow people not to think. These days people don't like to think and question things. In fact, we are encouraged by our leaders to simply accept. Questioning things is problematic. So if you really want to know what are the causes behind their acts drop your defenses and start questioning yourself.
Ooooh, and the tortured and killed caused by their action are just movie clips? Thanks for the clarification Mr. Carlos ...and when we see the flash and hear "kawooom" its just someone using a big camera taking a brighter picture, isn't it? Shall we smile? - what do you suggest?
Arnie, good points above. It is a war. muslim groups continue to threaten the UK leadership on the crackdown of those preach hate and intolerance. They continue their genocide in Darfur, their head chopping in Thailand. They continue to be identified here in the US and other parts of the world. There is no negotiating. There is no open dialog. Their right to smyte our necks and kill non-believers (gworld would lie and have us believe they are just Athiests) is not open to negotiation. gworld, we saw what you defended, exclusively. We saw what you attacked, exclusively. It's too late for your revisionist strategy. I think everyone knows. And the next time you try to blow smoke up people's skirt about islam, people like Arnie, Mia, Debunked, SiteTutor, myself, and others, that know the truth, will be here to balance the fluff you defend it with.
Their actions are indeed real, not movie clips. I think everyone here acknowledges that. What's your point?
I always love how someone with single digit or almost no posts just happens to walk into the end of a heated disucssion. It always makes one suspect.
Combination of 2 previous posting: POST 1: Gtech Man arrested in NJ, what that got to do with moon God or any other BS that you have been saying? This is I don't know how many times (I have lost the count) that I am telling you that if you have anything reasonable (forget reasonable, if you have anything ) to say on subject on moon God or anything else, PLEASE, PLEASE, I BEG YOU ON MY KNEES, ENLIGHTEN, EXPOSE THE LIES, OR GIVE A REFERENCE, ON ALL THE BS THAT YOU ARE JUST KEEP REPEATING. POST 2: It seems this thread has come to end. I invite every one reading this thread to go through the last pages and see how people like Gtech, mia, debunked,... had nothing to say except repeating the couple of hate quotes or phrases copied from different web sites or heard in different ultra-right hate forum. As soon as their hate quotes was challenged, they are running away to the shadows that this type of people and ideas hide themselves awaiting the suitable environment of hate, racism, illiteracy to show their ugly heads again. They have nothing to say or contribute to discussion except endless repeat of their hate quotes and name calling any one who challenges them. The only effective way to fight terrorism is through open dialog, respect of other and finding the solutions that is fair and just to all groups. Unfortunately close minded people on both side whose main goal is to increase the hate and violence, will try their hardest to stop the peace process and this is true independent of, if their name is Gtech, mia or bin laden. _____________________________________ I see that you have returned to just repeat your hate mantra again. Have any of you find any reference for what were you saying before? If all you can do is to call me Muslim or terrorist and then say Muslim and terrorist are bad since the vast of your knowledge (couple of quotes from hate groups web site) does not permit you to engage in intelligent discussions that is fine. If you like to discuss anything such as 1- Different religions and their holy books 2- Politics in 20th century 3- Mythology of Islam and Christianity such as Allah moon that Gtech like to repeat. 4- Use of violence by different religion and countries I would be more than happy to discuss it with you as long as intelligent discussion and you can provide reference for what you state and do not expect that I should believe it because your preacher back home said so. I know this will be difficult for Gtech since according to his belief system intelligence, asking for proof is sign of devil and it proves that you are a Muslim and terrorist because you ask for proof but how about the rest of you, can you discuss intelligently?
Moon God - Google = http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=moon+God&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 First link: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm There is much debate over this. Muslims believe Allah to be the biblical God. Non-Muslims claim Allah to be a pagan God. All one has to do is turn to archeology to see that the moon god, al-ilah was in fact the modern day Allah. From the article: "The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names. The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being." This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god." You really do have to ask yourself why Allah is never defined in the Qur'an? Interesting to say the least. Moon God sounds good to me. Good thing we only have one moon on this planet.
Would be nice but... ...draw us a picture of wind, electric and love etc. first. You'll understand we need a proof too.
Yawn... Please, why add more wasteful energy to this thread saying the same thing over and over again? I never called you Muslim or Terrorist, not once. Never even implied it. I know I asked if you were Muslim, and you never answered me. I suppose I could assume, since you never answered, but I really don't care. I never said you were. I have said you are hateful, angry, vindictive, and of course bitter. If you would calm down a bit and relax you might actually find people a bit more responsive to your posts. The trouble is you never really post any questions, nor do you add anything useful to the discussion. You just make a statement, say you are right, everyone else is wrong and then begin ramming that down everyone's throat over and over again. It's getting old.
gworld, the link to: was simply to inform you that another one of your buds was arrested. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone can go back and read the post and see this. Yet you are trying to make more out of it. I was also very clear to you about why I choose not to carry the discussion further regarding your moon god. You were defensive about it from the very first post debunked made on it. You called it non-sense before any light was shed on the subject. You continued to defend it and say it was false, without any discussion being made on the topic. You were defending it. And your latest posts clearly shows you are still defending out it with outrage. You claim to be athiest, but defend islam as if it were your own. You attack the US, Israel, Christianity and Jews with a passion, then every 200 posts in the thread, attempt to remind everyone you are athiest and claim all religions are silly. Then you go right back to defending your religion and blaming the world's problesm on the US, Israel, Christianity and Jews. You don't want to discuss. You don't want to know the truth. You demand proof (while defending something you say you are not part of), you discount anything anyone puts forward as non-sense, you defend the indefensible. Your kitman is weak. We see what you defend and what you attack, exclusively. No one here has posted any reference from their preacher back home. It shows how you consistently lie during these discussions and later attempt to paint yourself as something you are not. Many people here have posted relavent links to stand by their positions. Whether it be directly from the quran, or articles from news sources. News sources are not hate sites and I've seen nothing posted from a hate site. Your attempt to label anything posted to support a position from such shows your attempt to devalue the sources and defend, once again, islam. Stop lying gworld. We see what you are doing.