Gtech, Zman Please, please bring out all the quotes that you can find from Quaran or any other religious book that you can find. It just proves my point that while these old books were relevant long time ago in history, toady they are nothing more than old books with aged ideas. Stupidity is not a monopoly of one religion in particular, it is a common characteristic of different religions and religion fanatics.
Persia predates Islam PERIOD. You are wrong. This is a historical fact. Islam was not conceived until around 610 AD. From one of my previous posts: "Islam did not even exist in Iran until around 641 AD during the invasion of Persia when Arabs defeated the Sassanid armies. The Turks took control in the 10th through 13th Centuries, and it was not until the latter part of the 14th Century that Islam returned again." This is a historical fact. I did not make it up. From about 550BC through 631 CE Arabs invaded and converted the Persians from Zoroastrianism to Islam, and what we now see in both pre and post Islamic Iran. You cannot make things up and expect everyone to believe you all the time. There is a clear difference between pre-Islamic Persia and Islamic Persians. There is no such thing as an Islamic Persian. Once they were converted (violently) to Islam, they ceased being Persians. I really think you are confusing your Mithra's here. There were several different Mirtha's throughout the ages in many different cultures. Pulling a bit here and there from each can render just about anything. I mean Romans combined Mithra with several other deities throughout the 1st - 5th Centuries BC. It is not inconceivable that several bits and pieces of each deities has been kept. It's not out of the question that any one or all of these deities could have influenced modern day Christianity. After-all our government in the US was a combination of the good/bad of the nations we all came from rolled into a new form of government. I'm still wondering what your point is here. Again, not out of this world that one or more deities influenced Christianity. Your point? Your point? The Roman Catholic Church has been in the habit of absorbing pagan traditions into their religion for years. Again, what is your point? Seriously. Are you trying to say that without all the good little muslim terrorists around the muslim world and in Iran that there would be no Christ (even though he is a figment of my imagination like the Easter Bunny?). Are you trying to say we would not have Christmas either? What the hell are you trying to say? Ah, you are saying we should thank the Persians and the Persian Empire for this? Ah, ok... Iranians as you indicated before had nothing to do with anything you are talking about, nor did Islam. What is your POINT??? Christmas (as many of us know it) with Santa, etc.. Was originally celebrated on December 6th, however a pope saw it in his divine wisdom to drop that date from the calendar. In eventuality it was merged with the 25th which has become known as a pure religious holiday to almost every country on the planet. The church saw fit to move the celebration of Christ' birth to fit in with other traditions and celebrations that occurred on that date. So again, what is your point? The 25th has been celebrated as a religious holiday for many years by many cultures for many reasons. It is only natural in eventuality that this day would be shared in some common form. The Chinese New Year is the 27th, so perhaps there is some common reason for this celebration date that relates back to Persia as well. Who knows. What is your point? Gword, you are correct, Mithraism was some what similar to Christianity in many ways. For one, the idea of having brotherly love, baptism, communion, the use of holy waters, using Sundays for mass, as well as December 25th as you so feverishly love to point out. They further had a belief that our souls were immortal, they believed in the last judgement and resurrection. People worshiped Mithra much like they worship Christ. Why do you think it was so easy to convert everyone at the time to Christianity? Not much changed. The pagan cult and religion were so similar few noticed a difference. Personally I am just glad it was Mithra that influenced Christianity and not Islam. I seem to prefer brotherly love to killing thy neighbor. So what is your point? Give it a rest.
Look back in history - Moses and the passover when God' chosen people left egypt and not such good terms on behalf of the egyptians of that time. Read why Christians use the wine and bread.
You mean the point where you were trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes by protecting your religion here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=17938&page=3 Bottom of the page. Scroll to the next page for my response. You got awful quite after that posting Still nothing on the New Testament, eh? My oh my, how we choose to ignore the obvious
I still stand by my post, non-believers according to Islam is people who do not believe in God or religions that have a book. It is therefore both Christianity and Jewish religion is accepted by Islam. There are many reference about this fact that can be found by anyone with open mind. If anyone is in danger from Muslims is me since I openly admit that I do not believe in God. You still have not answered my previous posting on New Testament and how it is so anti-semitic and considers the Jews the killer of Christ, so what is the point on providing you with new quotes? Should all Jews be blamed for killing of Christ? My answer is no but New Testament doesn't agree.
Ding dong.. Hello? I have news for you. The Jews did kill Christ. And Christ was a Jew. But that was the plan. Jews were supposed to kill Christ. That's no secret. Christ was sent here to die for us, all of us, Jews, and all. So what exactly is wrong about saying Jews killed Christ? I don't harbor any resentment or anger because of it. That's what was supposed to happen. Anyone who thinks or thought that someone or some religion is and or was blaming Jews for Christ's death has serious mental problems. Anyone who is offended by that notion is equally on the verge of a neurological implosion. Everything happened as it was supposed to, and thank God for that.
He answered you, unless you want to point out what you mean "read he quotes" Jesus is a jew. Killed by the jewish leaders of that time, those who Jesus was rebuking over and over for adding their own laws and not keeping God's laws themselves.
Though it would kill you all to admit it (and yes, Gtech, Gworld and Mia, i am talking to you) you are all enjoying this thread immensely. It feels good to shake out your feelings and have a bloody good arguement about your view of the world and I think you are all doing a great job at shoring up your own sides. BUT... You´ve strayed a bit from the question of the thread. To you three in particular, can I ask you to say in three points or less, what would YOU do personally (not what your government would do) to stop terrorism?
No Zman, A poll written by one member based on one member´s view of the choices is not the same as stating what you would do yourself. If it was not for the ususal suspects I named in my previous post this thread would have died long ago. Their debating is enlightening and interesting ( I know I learned some things in this thread) but there is no end in sight. I would like them to state not why or who they blame, who is wrong and who is right, but what they would do to fix the problem, as per the original question of the thread.
True, but a thread is started by someone and in this case a poll is the basis of the thread. If we are to give answers outside of those provided then what would be the point of the poll? Maybe you should start a thread with an open ended question with no prefabricated answers. As far as this thread goes, I say "all of the above".
Whatever. If the guys in questions choose not to answer, they won´t. Without Arnie´s prompting what would you have said?
debunked, Mia Your opinion about this is only your own opinion and has got nothing to do with what is in New Testament. According to New Testament and Vatican until 1965, ALL JEWS were responsible for killing the Christ. It was 1965 that pope announced the present day Jews are not responsible for killing Christ. You all want to torture, kill and lynch terrorists for killing humans, what do you think should be done with people who killed Christ, the son of God and the God himself according to your opinion? May be there was a reason for recognition of Nazi Germany by Vatican, what do you think? "No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means." (George Bernard Shaw / 1856-1950)
Look back, ST. I am afraid I fall into the camp of not-all-Muslims-are-our-enemy. I have made it clear in previous posts that if an individual harmed my family then I would hunt them down and skin them alive, but that I would not forever hate the race, caste or religion and I gave my reasons for that. There is no end to hate and violence in this world and to stop it, more bombing, killing and hate is not the answer. I would: 1. Spend some of the war budget on the education and liberation of the poor and disaffected. 2. Yes, hunt down and segregate the killers AND more importantly their puppetmasters. 3. Given the choice, send my children to a mixed race school and encourage them to mix with all colours and creeds. Teach them that our way of life is ours by choice and not by god-given right and that we are no better or worse than the family next door. Change for the better comes through the next generation. The thoughts and ideology of this generation is carved so deep, we will never escape our prejudices. Someone once said 'Children are one-third of our population and all of our future.' ... and I believe the answer lies with them.
Thank you for those kind thoughts. Sure. 1. Elminiate all terrorists 2. Elminate all countries that support and harbor terrorists 3. Spread Freedom for ALL! This includes women It's not an easy question to answer realistically. I mean I can tell you all day what I would do, but how would I do it? I think that is the bigger question. I'm about 75% happy with the way our government is handling it right now. The 25% is, I would like to see a bit more being done. I really feel that oil seems to be the driving factor that supports terrorists and supports Islamic Fundelmentalist behaivor. I'd like to see the US stop buying oil from these countries for just one month. I think that is all it would take to make them realize how much they need us, and how quickly they would go broke. We have some of the largest reserves just waiting to be tapped in the Alaskan wasteland. If we could just draw on that, we would never need another drop from them. So in conclusion if I had to answer the "how", i'd say go after their money. Stop buying oil from them. Yes, this includes Saudi Arabi! We could likely drive the price of crude down to nothing overnight by doing this.
I remember what you have said on the first pages, but I don't recall you ever giving a solution of any kind.
Since it seems some of you talk with him regularly, can you please ask him, not to die for me. It is against my principal anybody dying for me. Do you mean that everything happens as God wishes and has planned? Does this include 9/11, bombing in London and war Iraq or do you think God didn't know about these things? If you think God is all mighty and everything happens according to his wishes, I don't understand why do you blame the terrorists, they are just a pawn in God's hand. I am also very confused that all you religious people that don't like the Old Testament and only want quotes from New Testament when it comes to killing and torture of other people, you all like the old testament and eye for an eye, instead of turn the other cheek which is New Testament.