I don't care about bible, I was just trying to show that most religions are equally reactionary and stupid.
It wasn't me, it was Gtech and you who always bring up Islam as the cause of all evil in the world. My view always was and is that these problems are caused by economical, social and political situation in the world. My quotations as I mentioned before was to prove a point that most religious are reactionary in nature and there is no superiority from one side or other. God is a reactionary concept in itself.
I never said Islam was the cause of evil in the world. Economical, social and political situations in the world are not the cause for spreading hatred and violence. Many people in bad economic and or socially deprived areas do seem be easily swayed to this behavior though. Their environment is not the cause however. You made no point. You proved no point. Once again, just what is your point? Just what the hell is a "reactionary concept"? What are you talking about? So you are saying you do not believe in God either then? Why capitalize it? Why are you adding case sensitivity to a "proper" noun? Why respect the capitalization of "God" if "God" is a reactionary concept as you call it? You have me completely baffled man.
Your quotations were not to prove a point. I solicited quotations from you with a guideline which you failed miserably to do. As far as I can tell, you can't find scriptures in the New Testament nor can you find any reference to anything, in either the Old or New Testament to show where Christians or Jews are committing attrocities around the world with. On the other hand, I have clearly shown scriptures from the quran that are the basis for all the terrorism around the world committed by islamists. Not even an ounce of moral equivalency exists. The only thing you accomplished was to shame yourself even further.
Gworld posts in Gtech style You proved nothing because I say you proved nothing. I said this and I was right because you were wrong. If I am right then you should be wrong and that means that you proved nothing but you shamed yourself because if I am not ashame then you should be ashame. No moral equivalency exist because when we kill is right but if other kill is wrong and because when we kill is right then it is shame on you because other people who kill are wrong
You are not representing the ummah well, gworld. How's the New Testament searching going for you? Still searching, I see
Did you read Jesus's comments on religions? No I myself struggled a lot with the bilble truth until I found out that no man can teach me, eccept the holy spirit. - Something similar to this even Jesus commanded. You got to pray man. You got to ask the holy ghost to help you to understand wat's written in the book of live and love. The Bible is not a book covered with "make up" which you got to understand as well , but a guide to eternal live and understanding. Pray and ask in the name of Jesus, you got nothing to lose.
Islam is not the cause, economical, social and political situation are not the cause, enviornment is not the cause, so what the hell is the cause? May be it is your God fault that push people to do these things. Reactionary:extremely conservative [syn: reactionist, far-right] n : an extreme conservative; an opponent of progress or liberalism What comment is that? By the way do you know that there is no historical proof that Jesus ever existed? Do you know that the concept of father, son and the holy ghost is so illogical that even church could not find a logical explanation for it and in a meeting it was decided that it should be accepted by the church without any explanation? A lot of these things that you believe as facts are nothing more than stories and fantasies of few man that is included in a book called Bible. Bible can be a important historical document but it is written by men and it has many of the same flaws that other books have.
New Testament? You're not ignoring it, are you gworld? He attacks the bible, he attacks the people, he says there is no proof. He defends intolerance, he defends the intolerant's actions, he says it's not their fault. Hmm, what are you hiding gworld? Are you ashamed? Don't want to blow your "objective" cover? Come on, you can tell the truth
Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record, Broken record! Never said Islam was the cause. It certainly isn't the solution however. So what it comes down to again is you do like Bush, you do not like America, you side with terrorists and terroism, and you are damn proud of that. Good for you... Hoo Rah! I have historical proof Jesus existed. It's called history; written records. It was only around 2,000 years ago, and we seem to know a bit more about people, culture and other parts of human existence and society predating Christ. I do not know of a single religion on the planet (including Islam) that does not recognize Jesus. They may not all see him as the messiah, but they all agree he existed. If the Trinity is so illogical then why does man constantly seek to reproduce the Trinity in most everything they build? I really feel sorry for you. You are so hateful and condescending of other people and their faith. I know you will make your peace with God some day. You are very angry for some reason. God only knows what the reason for all this anger is, but if you do not relax it is going to catch up with you. For someone that does not believe in faith, God, the bible and religion, you sure seem to like to bash it for some reason. Something must have happened to make you this way. Something tragic no doubt. Believe me, most of us here are praying for you! Get well.
The quaran refers as "They have the Messiah", but whats left for them when we have the Messiah. One day "the now Muslims" will have to come to terms with this too. Jesus is also for them if they accept him.
Mia You are funny, first you post that nothing is the cause of terrorist actions and when I ask, what the hell do you think is the cause then, you start shouting another nonsense. It is also very funny that you try to prove Jesus existed because Muslim say so while you criticize everything else in Islam. The stories of Jesus pre-dates Islam by about 700 years, so it is natural that Mohammad did hear the same stories and excepted that as facts but it does not prove anything. Can you please quote or give me a link to a single historical document from Jesus time that mentions Jesus and not later day stories. I think the first mention of Jesus is about 100 years after the time that he supposedly existed. Romans historians were famous for details and they have even recorded small floods and other small weather or political events, why nobody bothered to record such important event? Would you like to discuss the stories of bible and how the miracles of Jesus gets bigger and bigger as more time goes by and new versions of Bible is written? Arnie look up the meaning of word "Messiah". Many of the Jews who were fighting against Roman empire were calling themselves Messiah and that is the reason the historical documents mentions that Romans were executing 10's of Messiah every week in their occupied territories. The reason for people calling themselves "Messiah" is based on stories and prophecies in Jewish religion.
You my friend are completely delusional (with all due respect of course). No, you said that I said that Islam was the cause of terrorism, to which I responded, no it is not. There are however a great many Islam terrorists. The teachings of the quarn does of course encourage that type of behavior, ie., terrorism. The question you are asking me is "how long is a piece of string?" I do not know. However, you see fit to put words in my mouth by insisting that I think Islam is the cause. I never said that. I could say that Islamic Terrorism is caused by Islamic fundamentalist teachings. But you asked about "terrorism". So, when you ask about terrorism itself, I cannot answer that question. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist, but he did not follow the teachings of Islam or the quarn. So once again, what is your point??? There is only one person here shouting nonsense. What is funny about that? You don't think he existed because you choose not to believe. You have either lost faith, or never had it. Don't worry, it will come back to you eventually. Since when have I criticized everything in Islam? Can you answer me one question? Are you Muslim? Yes or No? Yes it does pre-date it. That's what pisses you guys off. Someone else was here first. The existence of Jesus and the Jews irritates many Muslims to no end because it invalidates everything the teachings of the quarn profess. Anyway, I am not relying on "stories" of Jesus and the Bible alone. I'm a bit biased admittedly. I have faith too. Beyond that, there are more than just stories to support the claim that a man named Jesus did in fact exist. Whether or not he as was the Messiah is open to interpretation based on your faith and or creed. I happen to believe he both existed and is the Messiah. If you wanted to argue whether we was the true Messiah, then you might have a point. All I have to argue that point is "faith". That is my only proof. As to his existence. It is well documented, and 95% of the world believes it. Sure. But why? So you can extend the thread some more by telling me that I am shouting nonsense? What's the point. Me posting history documenting the existence of Jesus no matter what the source, is not going to change your mind either way... So why do it? Again, I feel sorry for you. I think I will say an extra prayer for you today. It couldn't hurt. That is because in Judaisim Messiah used to mean "any person who was annointed by God to do a job." It was not until the 1st Century DC that it began to mean what it means today. So yes, many people were called "Messiah" prior to the 1st Century AD. But something happend just prior to the first Century that changed the meaning. I think you know what this is.
Mia If there were any merit in your argument that Jesus is better because he was before Mohammad, then I suggest you convert to Jewish or any other of many older religion than Christianity. The story of prophets did not end with Mohammad and there were other after him that claimed to be prophet. I suppose you know about Mormons, many of them live in Utah. Since you did not provided any link or quote, I suppose you are agreeing that there is no historical document from the time that proves Jesus ever existed. Regarding your argument about 95% believing in something, a large majority of children believe in easter bunny or tooth fairy, it doesn't mean that it really exist. Since you found out about the meaning of word "Messiah", I suppose you understand that there were many "Freedom fighter/ terrorists" under Roman empire that called themselves Messiah during the time that supposedly Jesus existed. Gtech, Zman Regarding your posting, my answer is what ever. You can call me any name that you like and label how ever you want but it does not change the facts in my posting. Do you have anything at all to bring to discussion, for example any kind of proof that Jesus ever existed. Since this thread some how evolved to discussion about Iranian nuclear ambition, I finish this post with a question regarding Iranian. Does any one here knows why Jesus and Christianity wouldn't have existed without Iranians?