Are these the things you presume others are concerned about? Their navy, some airplanes? I know you are following the thread, as you are keeping it alive. Are you intentionally trying to avoid the nuclear threat by portraying Iran's only threat to the world being a weak navy and few fighter jets? Please tell me that's not what you are doing. Please! The threat is nuclear. The one they conned Europe into believing they are developing for peaceful [sic] purposes. The question is, do we really want a country whose religious ideology is to kill infidels (that's me and others here) and also proclaims such with statements like these: http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=782 Are you saying you want a country that sponsors terrorism, harbors terrorists, trains terrorists and proclaims that islam will conquer every mountain top (the world), to have nuclear weapons?
Gtech You can not conquer the world by nuclear bombs and I answered you according to your original posting. You can destroy things with nuclear bomb and for that you need a nuclear device delivery systems A.K.A Inter-continental ballistic missiles, as far as I know they have no such capabilities. Even if they could develop nuclear bomb, they can aim it inside their own country or few of their neighbor countries and as far as I understand you won't mind at all if they kill few Muslim Arabs, do you? In what way are they going to conquer the world or expand Islam in all over the world by using nuclear bomb? All the religions are stupid enough to think that their way is the only right way and I am sure if you talk to rabbi or a priest, they will also mention that their profit is the only true profit and one day every one will convert to their religion. To quote Quaran or any other religious book such as bible is stupid since these are old books that has no relevance to today's problems. Would you like me to quote all the hate propaganda from the bible?
Incorrect, you did not respond. Like everything else, if it's not *your* talking points, you breeze right over it. Things? You can destroy things? OK, countries are things. To suggest they cannot or will not work on a mechanism to delivery the bomb is rediculous. I'm quite sure they are not developing nuclear material to aim inside their own country. To offer such trivial acknowledgement of something so large in scale, that it can (and will be) used to destroy entire populations tells me how little importance you place on this issue. The question is, just as why you support terrorists in Iraq, why? When priests and rabbis start preaching hatred and death to muslims and sending out suicide bombers to destroy others, when they start flying planes into buildings and committing genocide in the name of their religions, I'll take notice and condemn such behavior. In the mean time, rabbis and priests nor other spiritual leaders from other religions are doing such for you to condemn, so your only option is to defend those you admire that are doing such. Quoting the quran is exactly what we need. People are beginning to realize just what this book has in it. The calls for deaths of others, the hatred spewing, the oppressiveness of it. You know it's there, I know it's there and others here know it's there. Feel free to quote what you want from the bible. But when you do, make sure you quote from the New Testament too. That should be a good challenge for you. And when you do quote, make sure you point out how Christians and Jews are using scriptures to behead people, blow them up, fly planes into buildings and how these scriptures are preached with hatred towards others in their churches. Good luck with that. Iran is a nuclear threat, yet you choose to trivialize it. Why?
Some judgements from thinking man about bible: "You can find things in the traditional religions which are very benign and decent and wonderful and so on, but I mean, the Bible is probably the most genocidal book in the literary canon. The God of the Bible - not only did He order His chosen people to carry out literal genocide - I mean, wipe out every Amalekite to the last man, woman, child, and, you know, donkey and so on, because hundreds of years ago they got in your way when you were trying to cross the desert - not only did He do things like that, but, after all, the God of the Bible was ready to destroy every living creature on earth because some humans irritated Him. That's the story of Noah. I mean, that's beyond genocide - you don't know how to describe this creature. Somebody offended Him, and He was going to destroy every living being on earth? And then He was talked into allowing two of each species to stay alive - that's supposed to be gentle and wonderful." (Noam Chomsky / born in 1928 / Interview by Wallace Shawn, October 19, 2004) "All Bibles are man-made." (Thomas Edison / 1847-1931) "Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast" (Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Reflections on Religion / 1906) "[The Bible] has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies." (Mark Twain / 1835-1910) "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." (Oscar Wilde / 1854-1900) "Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly and warn the people of Canada..." (Isaac Asimov / 1920-1992 ) Because you mentioned the new testement, I respect your wishes and do not quote from the barbaric texts in old testement (if you like, I can do that to) but keep the quotes from New testement. Matthew 27:24-25: "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children." This passage, probably more than any other text in the Christian Scriptures fueled anti-Judaism, and later anti-semitism. Matthew records that a crowd of Jews said a most improbable statement: that they and their children were responsible for Jesus' death. This inspired the church father Origen (circa 185-254 CE) to write: "Therefore the blood of Jesus came not only upon those who lived formerly but also upon all subsequent generations of Jews..." The Christian church taught until recently that all Jews -- past, present and future -- are equally responsible for the death of Christ. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that some 1st century Jews shared partial responsibility for causing Jesus' execution. However, most 1st century Jews were innocent. In a 1965 declaration, the church said that present-day Jews cannot be blamed for the death of Jesus. John 8:44: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." In this passage, Jesus is speaking to Jews who, like the majority of the residents of Palestine, rejected his teachings. He says that they are sons of Satan. 1 Corinthians 10:20-21 "But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils." Here, Paul writes that the Gods and Goddesses of other religions are actually demons. In modern terms, they are Satanists. He taught that Christians are to isolate themselves from non-Christians. 2 Corinthians 6:14 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" Paul is recommending that Christians have minimal contact with non-Christians. He compares Christians to light and non-Christians to darkness. This may promote hatred of non-Christians. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15: "...ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men." This passage has been used to promote anti-Judaism and anti-semitism up to the present time. In reality, Jesus' death sentence was ordered by Pilate, a Roman official, and was carried out by soldiers in the Roman Army. Only they had the authority to crucify slaves and non-slaves who were considered to be insurrectionists and terrorists by the occupying Roman authorities. Revelation 2:9: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Here, Jesus "claims the name of Jews for himself and his church," and is condemning other Jews as followers of Satan. I state my position again: Old religious books could have been relevant in their own time but have nothing to do with present day problems. Trying to blame the current situation on any religious old book is just purely stupid. Before you try to confuse the situation and say that I am anti-Semite, I will say it again that I like Jews and it seems it is bible waivers who think Jews are the Jesus killer and therefore the killer of God according to Christian teaching. Vatican was the first state that recognized Nazi Germany.
gworld, Im sorry, but I didnt see a single reference to beheading, bombing buildings, kill infidels, etc. It was as clear as day that Gtech was asking for this. All you have done is supplied verses that talk about christians and non christians. Anyone with a head on their shoudlers would admit that Christianity, budda, whatever, are not anywhere similar to Islamic EXTREMIST. Believe what I say or I will saw your head off in front of a camera and hang your rotting body in the streets. Show me some of that from the bible.
Your wish is my command. Look now; I myself am he! There is no god other than me! I am the one who kills and gives life; I am the one who wounds and heals; no one delivers from my power! Now I raise my hand to heaven and declare, "As surely as I live, when I sharpen my flashing sword and begin to carry out justice, I will bring vengeance on my enemies and repay those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword will devour flesh – the blood of the slaughtered and the captives, and the heads of the enemy leaders."' "Rejoice with him, O heavens, and let all the angels of God worship him, for he will avenge the blood of his servants. He will take vengeance on his enemies and cleanse his land and his people." (Deuteronomy 32:39-43 NLT) Samuel then said: "Though little in your own esteem, are you not leader of the tribes of Israel? The LORD anointed you king of Israel and sent you on a mission, saying, 'Go and put the sinful Amalekites under a ban of destruction. Fight against them until you have exterminated them.' Why then have you disobeyed the LORD? You have pounced on the spoil, thus displeasing the LORD." Saul answered Samuel: "I did indeed obey the LORD and fulfill the mission on which the LORD sent me. I have brought back Agag, and I have destroyed Amalek under the ban. But from the spoil the men took sheep and oxen, the best of what had been banned, to sacrifice to the LORD their God in Gilgal." (1 Samuel 15:17-21 NAB) Then the LORD said to me, "Son of man, give the people this message from the LORD: A sword is being sharpened and polished. It is being prepared for terrible slaughter; it will flash like lightning! Now will you laugh? Those far stronger than you have fallen beneath its power! Yes, the sword is now being sharpened and polished; it is being prepared for the executioner! "Son of man, cry out and wail; pound your thighs in anguish, for that sword will slaughter my people and their leaders – everyone will die! It will put them all to the test! So now the Sovereign LORD asks: What chance do they have? "Son of man, prophesy to them and clap your hands vigorously. Then take the sword and brandish it twice, even three times, to symbolize the great massacre they will face! Let their hearts melt with terror, for the sword glitters at every gate. It flashes like lightning; it is polished for slaughter! O sword, slash to the right, and slash to the left, wherever you will, wherever you want. I, too, will clap my hands, and I will satisfy my fury. I, the LORD, have spoken!" (Ezekiel 21:8-17 NLT) Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) 1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) 2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB) They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) I didn't find anything about planes going through a building in bible but on the other hand air planes were not invented yet.
Gtech clearly asked for New Testiment did he not? You ran back to the Oldy for what you have there. Modern Christianity is not what is in the Old Test. Care to try again?
Do you mean God made a mistake in old testament and then correct it in the new version? I wonder what kind of word processor he was using? Do you know if God works with Window or Mac?
Someone's been spending far too much time at Evilbiblequotes.com (yes there is such a site). So you said the Bible was irrelevant, then what does anything in it really matter to you? You said you do not believe in the Bible or any religion for that matter, so why care what it says. In any event there is still nothing I have ever seen or read in the Bible that specifically directs anyone other than God to kill. There is nothing in the Bible I have read or seen that invites people to hate, murder, rape, behead, etc... It's just not there. I am not so naive as to believe everything in a literal sense as it concerns the Bible knowing full well that it's translation into English has in some ways changed many messages, words, etc. As a for instance, the Garden of Eden in Hebrew (if I remember right) was called something like "Gan Eden" where we get the word "Garden" from today. A Gan Eden was typically then and now a walled in Garden surrounded by 4 pools/ponds, and lush vegetation. The pools are meant to directly mimic the "four heads" or four rivers that it is believed to have surrounded Gan Eden or the Garden of Eden. You can see the use of the "Gan Eden" style Garden today in everything from ultra wealthy Hollywood homes in California backyards, all the way to the Tashmahall! In any event I once again fail to see any point being made as it concerns the comparison of Christianity and the out right demonic behaivor condoned and encouraged by the Quarn.
God's commands to some specific people at specific times for specific reasons don't apply to all. Other commands do, not hard to figure out which ones. God was having his people destroy those who were against Him (God) and did not serve Him. He never changes, He has always been the same, he is just, and loving. He gives grace (which no one deserved) and has mercy on us. If you read any part of the bible without reading it all you can get a very skewed understanding. Try picking up a book and just flip to a spot in it and read a paragraph or 2 and skip a few chapters and do the same, will you get the writer's intent? Don't think so, unless it is a verrrrrrry shallow book.
I thought it was pretty clear. No quotes from the New Testament? No points on how Christians and Jews are using scriptures for either the Old or New Testament to behead people, blow them up, fly planes into buildings and how these scriptures are preached with hatred towards others in their churches? Diversionary Tactics . . . Reading comprehension?
Dear Las who gave me red rep with comment: "You are very mean! How hateful you are. Las" The mean and hateful quotes are from bible, it is not my opinion and I totaly disagree with it.
interesting, you don't get it do you??? You probably haven't tried to read the bible or the quaran for that matter, I also don't suggest you do, since some things take an open mind................................... The bible is a love letter to me, so much love, mercy, grace, you have to read the entire thing to understand the reason God gave to kill anyone, yet at the same time showed grace to someone else. I guess what bothers people most is God is the one in control and we aren't, we have been given freedom, but he still calls the shots. I am thankful he hasn't killed me, which I do deserve. I am a man with many flaws willing to accept His mercy. Now He is a friend instead of my enemy.
It must be nice to live in a fantasy. By the way, what you are posting has many logical contradictions but in a world of fantasy logics cease to exist, so I suppose you believe it.