No, you'd rather sit behind a shield. The clear difference with the US when it comes to WMD (God I hate that acronym) is we built them with the sole intent of never using them. Others build them with no other intent than to use them to kill. When was the last time Canada was attacked? When was the last invasion of Canada? When was the last time someone tried to take over Canada? It's nice living behind that shield of freedom isn't it. You're welcom
So do you deny USA involvement in Iran, Chile, Vietnam, Cubd,Gutamala...? I know the science and history is not very popular with American school system but have you ever read any history book about 20th century, if you haven't then may be you can do a Google search oh these topics at least. Can you please tell me how the killing of these 8-10 years old children in school helps you to defend your loves ones? "Four Palestinian schoolgirls were shot dead by the Israeli army in their classrooms or walking to school in the Gaza Strip in September and October. Raghda Adnan al-Assar and Ghadeer Jaber Mukhaymar, aged 10 and nine, were shot dead by Israeli soldiers while sitting at their desks in UN schools in Khan Yunis refugee camp. Eight-year-old Rania Iyad Aram was shot dead by Israeli soldiers as she was walking to school. On 5 October Israeli soldiers shot dead 13-year-old Iman al-Hams near her school in Rafah. According to an army communication recording of the incident and testimonies of soldiers, a commander repeatedly shot the child at close range even though soldiers had identified her as “a little girl... scared to deathâ€. " Do you mean that we should kill all their children and eliminate the Arabs from the earth?
Interesting. The hatred is there. Whether they try to hide it or not, they hate Jews, they hate Christians. Those that want to be preceived an peaceful and not hating Jews and Christians are simply "tolerating" us and nothing more IMHO. Being tolerant of others is just as bad has hating them. It means you really do hate, but if you pretend not to show it, you should be percieved as peacful. I really want to believe there are some people out there that practice that "way of life" that truely are peaceful and nice. I hope they exist. I am very sorry to say I just have not seen that side yet.
Nice to see the Honorable traditions of Ku klas klan is still so highly praised by you and your friends. I see why you are so much against me quoting a US judge but unfortunately I don't read the KKK literature, so I can't quote anything from the KKK grand master.
gworld, in your outrage over innocent killing, why do you choose Palestinians and not those killed by terrorists? I think we all know your anti-semitic view by now, even behind the kitman efforts, but why did you choose this story, from Amnesty International (which has a history of anti-Israel and ant-US positions)? The reason I ask is, I see no other report of this story anywhere. It's as if Amnesty International got the scoop on a story. And I'll be the first to point out that if a Palestinian stumps their toe on an Israeli built sidewalk, (al-)Rueters will be there to make them a victim before they can say "ouch." I've been trying to find any source of a news story on this incident. The only thing I see are a few sites that have quoted Amnesty International.
I enter these names in Google news (in addition to web searches): "Raghda Adnan al-Assar" "Ghadeer Jaber Mukhaymar" Nothing, not a single article found. Absolutely nothing. Whatchu talking 'bout, Willis? Maybe you would like some help to find innocent Israelis killed by suicide bombers? Theres no lack of sources there
Google for my history, especially on topics as controversial as you mentioned? Sure, that's where I get my daily does of history. I lived it man, I don't need to Google for it. You and I just have a different perspective on it. But I am asking you to show a little respect when it comes to Vietnam. We did not bring that on ourselves. We did not start that war, nor did we lose it. Thankfully one of the few things Nixon did right was to get us out, get a armistice signed. You're are speaking out of school when trying to reference this war, or any of the above countries into this discussion. Keep blaming the US for the world's problems and the US might go away, and then where does that leave Canada? The Vietnam War IN FACT is a pure example of France's failure to halt nationalist forces in Indochina while it struggled to restore its draconian colonial utopia upon the end of WWII. The US had nothing to do with this. A communist dominated revolutionary (Ho Chi Min) led a massive movement while the Viet Minh attempted to form political and military independence for Vietnamese. This all but squashed the efforts of the French and eventually resulted in French being booted (tail between their legs) from the country. As a result of this somewhere around 1954, Vietnam gained independence from France. The country was forever divided into a North and a South as a result of the meddling of "FRANCE"... NOT THE US!!! The North, (much like Sparta) was a mean, nasty, dictatorial, communist government led by Ho Chi Minh. And the South, (not unlike Athens) had nice, neat, clean, friendly democratic, or more realistically, anti-communist government led by Ngo Dinh Diem. The US entered amidst a slaughter of Frenchmen. Just google for that... Anyway, some years later the US and many around the world began to see that the South looked as if it might fall to the North, making all of Vietnam communist, thus destabilizing the region, and further spreading the ill of communism. At that time, think about the USSR and the state of mind of the average American as it concerned communism. Many, if not all Americans agreed back in 65' when Johnson decided to commit troops to the region. It was not until the body bags started coming home, as well as the declension in the media and among the counter culture movement that everyone began to have a great distaste for Vietnam and any involvement in it. In any event if you really think that mentioning "Vietnam" is going to some how rally the anti-American troops, it ain't gonna happen. Everyone here is sick of hearing about it. Has the South fallen? Looks to me like the price America and people like my father paid was well worth it. Can I find things wrong with that war? Sure, the fact that congress never declared it a war, and the fact that our boys were not allowed to shoot until shot it, among other things. Anyway, I could go on all day long about every country you have mentioned, but what on earth is the point? You are just baiting everyone again looking for the proverbial "Gotcha". There is no "gotcha" here. If you are trying to say the US some how made Vietnam or any other country you listed a mess, you are way off base and honestly either do not know what you are talking about, or just do not care to investigate the facts. That or just believe what has been fed to you by others who like to make up history as they see fit. You are set in your way of thinking. I am not going to change you mind, nor am I ever going to get a point across that means to you, what it means to me. You know what I said, and if this is what you read in to it, God help you.
My apologies for what I am about to say to everyone on this forum, but you are one sick f@#k. If this is the way you are going to act, consider yourself on my ignore list. I'd be willing to bet you find yourself ignored by everyone here from this point on. You are one disgusting individual. Where are earth do you come up with crap like this. Don't bother answering because you are officially on the ignore list.
No apology needed here Jeremy. Good post on Vietnam. Some things I was not aware of. Sorry about your Father.
gworld you just flat out hate America don't you? I havent seen a single positive thing come out of your post yet. It's all about the hate. That is why you can never win a debate with someone from the far left. They hate America and what she stands for and nothing will change that. When they begin getting defeated in debate the responses are very predictable. You will begin seeing words like fascist, racist, kkk, etc. It is the last line of defense for a lefty. The truth is this. I have traveled the globe many times around. I own several backpacker websites not so that I can make money because they do not, but so that I can put my passion on the web. In my travels I found that America is BY FAR the best place in the world. I come home after a hard day at work and crack open a cold Beamish, turn on the tube or cube, and kick back with a smile. I didnt see many smiles in Spain, Canada, Romania, etc. I didnt see a lot of happiness and fullfilment. This is what the terrorist are after... our freedom. They hate that I can come home and enjoy myself without praying to allah. They hate that I can afford to send $20.00 to Thailand when a disaster takes place. They HATE me! So how can we solve this problem? I think the vote speaks for itself. We have sat idel for too long. Embassies have been lost with many lives inside, ships have been attacked when they were there to protect, thousands of men, women, and children died in the world trade center attack. I could go on and on but my point is that terrorism isnt going to just go away. It isnt going to dissapear if we ignore it. It isnt going to start feeling better if we "talk to it". My two cents.
No worries, mia! That's not nearly as offensive as when you called me a terrorist supporter. You drama queen, you!
Thank you. Oh, I did not lose him. He lived through it. Spent quite a bit of time working in GITMO back in the early 70's late 60's as well. He said that was no picnic as well. I just have first hand information to rely on from family and friends that lived it and breathed it from both sides. It was no picnic for those for it or against it, believe me.
No, sorry, that is pretty sad, and really uncalled for. The KKK? I mean really, that was a bit over the top and is simply ludicrous.
Gtech These type of posting is the reason that I always say Muslim fanatics, American Talibans (ultra-right Christian), Zionists and revisionist Neo-Nazi are all different sides of the same coin. I just put the first name Raghda Adnan al-Assar in MSN and it returned 285 results. The second name returned 133 results. To deny the death of innocent people in this manner is very similar to Neo-Nazi revision of history that deny the Holocaust. 1- The killing of Jews during WWII was immoral and wrong. 2- Attack on world trade center was an act of terrorism and wrong. 3- Bomb attacks against civilian in Europe or Israel is wrong. The above factors do not justify the killing of innocent people and human right abuses. I have condemned all terrorist actions against Jewish people or people from any other religion, do you have the moral courage to condemn the human right abuses and killing of Innocent women and children by your own government or Israel's government?
Why is this thread uncalled for? I think it is perfectly ok to discuss these things. As I said in a previous post, we can't just ignore these things, they do not go away like that.
It's called war. Never was pretty, never will be. Don't be sneaky in wording it to sound like we seek to murder. We seek to defeat terrorists and unfortunatly others may die in the prgress. Would you rather a couple innocents die due to a bomb being dropped on a terror hideout or several thousand within an hours time because that terrorist left the hideout to attack? Why are we even having to ask these silly questions?
Because gworld is attempting to paint moral equivalency for the side of terrorists. He wants us to not be outraged at terrorists and those that call for our death. He wants to take the focus off those that do evil and *especially* those that silently support it by projecting the evils of the US and Israel to silence the discussion of the topic at hand. In his attempt to formulate questions, he's looking for a "gotcha." It's an evil game I've seen played many times. When the poster has no credibility and has often been caught in a lie and blatantly misleading, they have nothing to lose. So the effort then is set upon going for a "gotcha." With a "gotcha," one can then attempt to go back and say everything they were trying to say was leading up to the context of the "gotcha" and therefore you are invalid. It's a sneaky trick, and one that rarely works.