What can you suggest to stop terror?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Arnie, Jul 22, 2005.

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How should the world community deal with the Iranian NBomb threat

Poll closed May 22, 2006.
  1. Tough (in negotiations)

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  2. Tougher (sanctions)

    5 vote(s)
    6.6%
  3. Toughest (even to war)

    19 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. Other Muslim states must go against Iranians attempt too

    6 vote(s)
    7.9%
  5. All of the above

    23 vote(s)
    30.3%
  6. Tolerance

    15 vote(s)
    19.7%
  7. Have to stock pampers first before I vote

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  1. uca

    uca Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Yep, you're right about stopping this thread.

    I edited my post and I'm not postin anymore.
     
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  2. mopacfan

    mopacfan Peon

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    #22
    Censorship certainly is not the answer. Discussion is exactly what we need, to bring issues to the fore and get them talked about.
     
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    #23
    Umm.. says who?
     
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    e10 Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Yes I found that statement a bit of a stretch too. I do agree with the bit about the solution to the problem being within the community though - the whole community. You, me and and the Pakastani family down the street. It´s everybody´s problem.
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #25
    Agreed. Censorship is not the answer, nor is trying to find moral equivalence in history to justify the problems of today. The "Iraq war" excuse is just an excuse. There need not be a reason for the attacks, and the attacks happened long before the Iraq war.

    I also submit that repeating kitman doesn't serve the issue at hand.

    Though I rarely have agreed with Rob in the past, I think he hit the nail on the head. It cannot be stopped.

    For those that do not know about the religion, I suggest reading the quran and finding the real truth in it's scriptures. Especially the surat. Once you start to read and learn, you'll see why it's happening.

    "All" doesn't have to be a common denominator for people to recognize an ongoing problem. We often see "All muslims are not terrorists." Switch that sentence around a bit. All doesn't have to be the problem to realize who is committing the acts and how little it's condemned and how often we see people making excuses for the acts.
     
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  6. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Today the link's up again

    A very interresting read from a world-wide well respected scientist -Haim Harari. I do agree with what he said. That speech was held in April but covers even the recent bombings in London.

    http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_east/Haim Harari.htm
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #27
    If every became atheist we wouldn't have this problem :D

    On a more serious note - I believe that if several more attacks the same magnitude as the WTC (world trade center) go on, people will become enraged and extremely fearful.

    What happens when man (or animal) become very fearful? It bites. I honestly think that if terrorism continues to grow, so will racism and prejudice towards the middle east and the islamic/muslim beliefs. In the end it may just cause the war of religions..

    PS: I'm not saying that I want any of this to happen, just what i think could happen. And as some have pointed out... people's religious beliefs (taken out of context or not) have caused many wars and many deaths, and not just islam/muslim.. a good majority of it in the passed was catholic/christian.


    How to stop it? End poverty. Make the world "fair" to every individual (unrealistic i know). For as long as their are people with nothing to lose, they will take extreme measures to be noticed.
     
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  8. nevetS

    nevetS Evolving Dragon

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    #28
    I was just thinking about putting up a website about this subject. It's a simple, cheap (comparitively) thing to do if you put any thought into it. Not quite as glorious as unleashing an army on a bunch of brown people though.

    All you have to do is make them out to be the idiots that they are in the eyes of the world.
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #29
    Agree 100%. Let people voice their opinions and others can disagree as long as it's done in a civilized manner. All too often people try to shout each others down and that's not the way to go. But when someone feels that Islam and terror can be used in the same sentence, too many people use words such as "stupid" and "racist" without giving the poster a chance to explain. Political correctness is not solving problems and suppressing anyone's voice isn't either. We all seem to have some sort of bias somewhere, but when you make someone feel guilty for speaking his/her mind, you're taking away the opportunity for yourself to discuss something with someone who has the opinion many others have as well and you should never ignore the reasons people have for feeling how they do.
     
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  10. ViciousSummer

    ViciousSummer Ayn Rand for President! Staff

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    #30
    That is absolutely correct. Sad but true. Anyone that hides behind "god" is a coward. Whether it be "God/Allah/Buddah told me to blow up the World Trade Center", or "I'm a devote Christian even though I have premarital sex. God says I can't but I do it any ways, but I confess everytime and God forgives me." Or, my favorite is the people that tell me that I am going to hell because I have not "accepted Jesus into my heart", but the sicko child molestors/murders rotting in prison are going to heaven "because he has accepted Jesus into his heart and he has been forgiven". Sweet! Have fun in heaven with all the sickos, I'm glad I'm not invited...haha. :rolleyes:

    (Now, now...Don't get your holy panties in a bunch, people...You have your beliefs and I have mine. ;) )

    But, if everyone was atheist, I'm sure we'd have an entirely different problem. Human nature just can't win...

    p.s. (I'm not atheist by the way...I've developed my own beliefs about what exactly "god" is.)
     
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    #31
    The question is not really how many are terrorists, but how many are behind the scenes encouraging terror.

    This I definitely agree with.
     
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  12. wissam

    wissam Well-Known Member

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    #32

    Do you know that I am muslim and I am arabic ... we are not bad at all islam is good , I'm trying to stop the war my self
    http://otaku.kylosa.com
    so that was stupid lol
    any way just want to tell that it's to stupid to blame a whole world for a few bad people , we are smarter then this , think before you talk next time ..
     
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    #33
    Hmmmm, i think it is just pure human greed and envy that triggers violence. 2nd WW: it looked like a religious thing, but it just happended that the masses had no money, and certain groups had. So that would be cycle one. The reply is pure hatred, because someone else put in the first blow. Cylce two.

    I am Dutch and not even 100yrs ago we decided to colonilize some countries because the had stuff we hadnt. In the meantime killed a couple of the inhabitants along the way. Were we popular there? Duh.

    So solution: take away reason for envy and reason for hatred. Make poverty history is a great start.

    Personally i have no need for religion ;-) However, in the purest form most religions dont preach violence. It just interpretations by people to justify there own actions to others that cause the problems.
     
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    wissam Well-Known Member

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    #34
    Well ... I don't think the god said to us that we must blow up the World Trade Center , I think you must learn more about this , it's about a few bad people who use islam to hide , islam is not about killing people , is not about going to hell ..
    take it from this point what if god even does not exist and we are saying those things just to feel that we are not alone in a huge dark space ...
    it's about a bad humans a bad leader ....islam is not bad at all ...
     
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    #35
    There are parts in the Quaran that encourage violence. In the Old Testament as well, but not the New Testament.
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #36
    Here's a question for all of you, does society really want the horror to stop?

    The media is nothing but a bunch of tragic stories 24/7. And do you know why? Because we gobble it up like it's chocolate going out of style.

    Another thing - If the world had no bad and no evil (if you can even imagine that) then everything could only be "average"... without bad there cannot be good. Its 4 AM so maybe I'm not making sense... :)

    Anyway.. I don't see any solution in our lifetimes happening... look who we have running our country for 8 years.. <cough>Thanks alot bible belt/midwest</cough>. Am i the only one who found it funny that bush can't even ride a bicycle without crashing it into the side walk? :D
     
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    mcfox Wind Maker

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  18. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    #38

    I think a better question is: "Does our government want the terror to stop?"

    They seem to gain an awful lot from it. :mad:
     
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  19. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #39
    Just a few?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...23.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/23/ixnewstop.html

    Solution: One step forward would be for those not *really* familiar with it to not make excuses for it, but rather study for themselves. Ask yourself the question: "If Islam isn't so bad at all, then why in the hell are they blowing up the world, oppressing women, denying women's rights, not condemning terrorists acts, preaching hatred in their mosques (and right here in the US as well), committing genocide in Darfur and chopping off heads in Thailand at an alarming rate?" In doing so, statements like "islam is not bad at all" will become obsolete. Don't except the kitman of "it's just a few that are hijacking the religion."
     
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    uca Well-Known Member

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    #40
    What's your government? maybe Iranian? Syrian?

    Does the police want criminals to change life?

    Do firemen want houses to be fireproof?

    Do doctors want people to be 100% healthy?

    In other words, that's not the point.



    Saving nations from poverty is, as said, but how do you do that?
    Throwing either money or bombs at them?

    Probably neither.

    Maybe the first target would be ignorance. Kill ignorance and you'll kill poverty.
    Unfortunately they keep themselves poor and ignorant, so those people are easier to manipulate by a just few. And the easiest way is Islamism unless it evolves, such as Christianity did in the medieval age.

    It's a long long way...
     
    uca, Jul 23, 2005 IP