That's because they are free, and their freedom coming from the allies and their casualties. Not from you, or the UN, or France, and so on. That doesn't mean they are going to be thankful, by the way. If they do what the French and Russians did after WWII, they are going to forget soon how many died for their freedom to choose the way to govern Iraq. And it's not the western values that they need, but they need to jump 200 years forward, maybe they'll devalue the importance of religion and appreciate life more (and maybe they'll start going for chicks and not wait for 70 virgins when they blow themselves up)
You forgot a few details. It is a proposed draft. It may very well end up with a six month delay. Iraqi's vote their elected leaders. Something I presume you want to deny them. Was this an attemped Gotcha? Would it validate that terrorism has nothing to do with religion? I didn't think so
Not even perversion of religion. It's all about POWER, religion is just what they use to justify it. The real thing is "I hate your way of life" or "do what I tell you to do"... Look as the 2 Algerian men killed lately in Iraq. They were killed because Algeria is not behaving correctly.
Dead is dead, but dieing slowly and in pain while suffocating uncontrollably? Hmm, I think I will take being shot.
That's about it. Values? What the hell are you talking about. We do not impose any values on other nations. Just because you do not like the fact that many of us actually do have values is no reason to assume we wish our values on someone else. That's not freedom. Yes, those fighting against us are terrorists. There is no nation, or organized army. Just a bunch of whimpy thugs. Steal resources? Are you ok. Air a bit thin up there? What resources? Please do not say oil. Why? Because madmen are running rampant killing people, that's why. Hvae you been paying attention to the world around you for the last few decades? All they have to do is stop. Give up their insane behaivor, stop bombing innocent people, attacking other countries, and their own countrymen. I think that is all anyone wants. For them to stop. Since they choose not to, we are going to make them stop.
We what? "Fucked up" I think you said? How is that. We set a goal, we had a plan, we went in, we achieved our goal. There was no false agenda, no "fuck up". We went in to get Saddam out, and liberate the country, and finally set up a new government chosen and run by the Iraqi people. What reasons do you think we went there? Some liberal banter you heard 3rd hand? WMD's, Oil? What? We did what the UN could not. We did what they WOULD NOT, because they were making money over there (STEALING RESOURCES) from the Iraqi people.
All to easy to say when you are hiding behind the great military shield. God forbid someone up there actually had to do something to help. All you do is complain and point out where we are wrong. You have provided no solutions, no possible alternatives, nor have you said anything that has not already been fed down the throat of every liberal complainist. What on earth aborting human beings (if I read between the lines correctly) has to do with this discussion is beyond me. It's just the typical liberal cracknobable that spreads fear, hate, and dissension among the masses, or at least tries to.
That's the point, but closed minded individuals are not going to see that. What was it, like 12 years? How many "resolutions"? What good was a resolution (demand/ultimatum) if you do not back it up? Exactly. I really believe there may have been nothing to hide. I think there probably were not WMD's. I think Saddam and his buddy King of the UN, and a few other nations were just staving off the UN purposely in order to keep the money laundering and oil for food scams going. See the above In the end what this argument is really about is there are people that hate Bush. Because they hate Bush ANYTHING he does is bad, anything he does is wrong, anything he does is a "fuck up" (to coin a phrase). They let their hatred and childish nature get in the way of reason. They hate him, so of course everything he does is bad. It's not about terror, it's not about Iraq, or Osama... It's about Bush. An overwhelming majority says they have had enough, and elect Bush (NOT ONCE BUT TWICE), so the pragmatic and delusional few in the new minority throw a temper tantrum, and scream as loud as they can hoping the world will see how wronged they were. It is their hope that others will realize how stupid they are for supporting the president. The want all to believe that "it's just not fair". Damnit, Bush is too stupid to be president and all ye who voted for him are stupid too. So let us smart little liberals take you in and help you understand that you are stupid, and it is ok. Let us un-stupid you by speaking for you and being smart for you. Pay your union dues and vote for a democrat next time. We will forgive you, just let us show you how stupid you are and that it is ok. It's really getting old. Quite frankly I've heard it all before, and it is boring me to death.
Didn't the NY Times also recently back some story for a major network, eventually costing one of the most famous new casters their job...
And what specifc foreighn policies might that be? Not much has changed in our FP. Paritcularly when it comes to terrorists.
They have both tried and we have kept them out. We got one to collapse and the other will soon follow. Communism will fail every time.
The question is very simple, why the same government and people who try to take away the women right to control their own body at home is so concerned about women rights in Iraq? Does make any sense, if it is not only for propaganda purpose? It reminds me of joke, why do American try so hard to export democracy? Because they have no use for it at home.
We are not there to impose Western Values as you call them. We are there to help the Iraqis choose their own form of government, and govern themselves with free elections for all. There is no dictator, no king, it's called democracy. The people decide. Gee, just what the hell are these "western values?"
Unless Anthony changed his name to Julian. Personally I liked Anthony quite a bit. It truely was fun having discussions with him. Aside from the haliburton stuff and grassy knoll conspiracy theories, I kinda pictured him as someone that would be fun to hang out with, have a few beers shoot the shit...
Okay, I don´t know much about American politics and frankly could care less if it wasn´t for the policy set by your leader having such a big impact on the rest of the world. There was something distinctly dodgy about Bush´s first election and God (yours, mine, Allah, Buddha) only knows how that war-mongering weasel got voted in for the second term. I only know that to me and most people I know the world became a darker and more dangerous place the day that Daddy´s boy got voted back in. It will never fail to amaze me how your country´s people let that happen. We will all have to pay for that mistake.