Excellent point! If we give up now, send our troops home and Iraq goes back to shits, we will have fucked up so bad, that History will look at this as the biggest disaster. Why not make the best out of it and turn things around. I believe progress is being made, not as fast as I'd like to see it, but still ... You never know. I know that you're not But here is my question: if you had $100 to donate and 2 organizations to give it to, one supporting our efforts (including our mistakes) and the other an organization that fights the American efforts (including terrorist acts), then where would everyone here put how much of the $100? Are the terrorist acts not considered collateral damage by many Muslims? And if you asked all 1 Billion Muslims on earth the same question, where do you think out of that $100 billion overall, how much each would go to terror and how much to what we are doing? I think there is a thread that most of us are unaware of. And looking at terrorists instead of examining the forces behind terror, is a big mistake.
I have a friend (just one guy) in the Marines and he tells a different tale. Many people don't have garbage collection, electricity or clean water. And the country is oozing with violence. According to the New York Times, the new Iraqi government is busy installing Islamic fundamentalist law, and is considering repealing women's rights and women's representation. BTW- Do we even have benchmarks in place to measure our success over there? What exactly are we trying to accomplish?
You mean the forces in Saudi Arabia, not Iraq- right? So you agree we shouldn't have gone in there in the first place?
Because I believe we are all created equal and it would be against human nature just as communism. If people don't like America, that means they don't like human nature. America is what you see is what you get. All about human nature, the good the bad the ugly, but 1 thing is for sure: it's real. Take the good with the bad and make the best out of it. Not like many groups in the world who harbor hatred and cannot move on. Look at Israel and Palestine. jews had 2k years of shit in Europe and never gave up. Palestinians can't stop going after Israel. Why?
Most people like America...but not our foreign policies. Big difference! And luckily for us they are able to differentiate!
It can't be said that the US, at present, are any close to perfection, but who is? Saddam? Iran? The US are better, unless you want to say that Iran is. In this case, if you live in America, you should leave to be consistent with those words. Please don't go to London, there are already too many terrorists regularly living there mostly subsidized by the governement...
I believe this was long overdue. We should have taken Saddam 15 years ago. I truly don't care if there were WMD's or not. This was a problem that wasn't going away on its own.
Most, yes but not all. I do think it's being blurred. There are over 7 million Muslims in America....
According to you if people don't like to be occupied, treated like shit in their own country, get killed by missiles, that is against human nature.!! How about you ask Chinese or Russians to occupy America and see how you like and if it is against your human nature. The second part of this doesn't make sense at all, you are admiring the Jews for not giving up and blaming Palestinians for not giving up, I suppose in your line of thinking Jews=good, Arabs=bad this makes sense.
Yea, the French, Germans and Russians were too busy making money hand over fist on the oil for food program and taking oil vouchers to line their pockets. Why would they ever give up a cash cow like that? You make some excellent points UCA. Glad you here in the debate and adding value to the thread.
If you know that a neighbour is nuts and treating it's family like s**t, abusing them, badly hurting them, using, storing and hiding weapons and explosives dangerous for the whole community, wouldn't you call the police and want them to break in and take him out as a last resource to neutrilize your next door threat? Well, who can be the police in the world? Not the super slow, corrupt, inefficient UN, used mostly by US enemies as a hurdle, chicane I would say, in the original meaning of the word. There should be an impartial global international police force, but there isn't. So who has to move? The only country that really can, the UK, with the help of the US of course
Because it would be too much work for them to build a productive society and economy. It's not like they haven't been given billions of dollars over the years, with nothing to show for it. But building a productive society and making something of themselves would be too much work and it goes against the "let's all go back to the 8th century mentality." Besides, it's not the cause of Allah. Where's the reward in being peaceful? Good posts ST! Have you noticed that when gworld makes an argument and it's responded to, he ignores it and moves on to something new? I've seen a pattern of this. My guess is, not unlike when AC used to mount the tinfoil hat, he's fishing for a "gotcha." No matter what you address or comment on, he moves to the next "Well answer me these questions." and eventually makes a circular pattern. Odd.
I kept thinking that maybe anthony is back under a different name. Although he would have brought in the haliburton/enron version by now. LOL
Tutor, tutor, learn the history before speaking. The state of Israel was formed partially by act of terrorism, many of later day prime ministers for example Menachem Begin were leaders of terrorist group with wanted poster for their head by British government. One of their organization (terror group) went as far as discussing to enter the world war II in the side of Germans in order to get rid of British. They even bombed the King David hotel and Acra prison. Here is the links to the history of these organizations: Irgun- group lead by Begin, responsible for bombings Lehi- The group that contacted Germans and proposed intervening in the WWII on the side of Nazi Germany. King David Hotel bombing
What means were used to take it from them during biblical times? Or does that history not count? How does that apply to today's terrorism? What land were the "oh so mighty Mercedes driving, peaceful, but non-religious motivated" terrorists of London try to fight for? What land did the Spain bombers want? What land did the 9/11 attackers want. One topic to the next to the next to the next. Gotcha?
OBS !! News- Framers of Iraq's constitution will designate Islam as the main source of legislation. The draft states no law will be approved that contradicts "the rules of Islam" It seems not even the people chosen by American are following their wishes and Iraq has to be freed again. I think this people have been brain washed like tutor mentioned, so lets cure them with a bullet and put new law makers who understand how good Western values are.
I think gworld's use of smilies even hint at being AC, except AC has no websites that are updated??? Maybe a twin brother? Maybe someone who went to the same art school? (Where they learned about the world)