Oh on the contrary. Palestine did not exist prior to 1948. Israel (parts of it) where given back to the Jews after years of A-Rab occupation. Take a walk further back in history and who occupied the middle east? The Jews. This is a whole other argument. The anti-Semites will always hate the Jews and are always going to claim that there is no Israel and that they do not belong there. That is an argument that can never be won. You cannot argue with people who hate Jews. There is no winning there.
Israel did not exist before WWII, but the Jewish nation, as people, yes, all scattered around the globe, but who previously took their land and belongings did not succeed in terminating them. But history goes in circles and comes back at you, whether it's your fault or your ancestors'. And that's what happened. In a way I would say that could have been more acceptable, that land that once existed was given back to them, and they called it Israel. They wouldn't do the same today, or at least not in the same way, but that was over 1/2 a century ago. BTW, I'm not Jewish. As far as the war that's going on is concerned, well the Iraqi war definetely is over, there are terrorists 'at work' right now, killing civilians and iraqis preferably, to sabotage the newborn democracy in order to take over. It's guerrilla in Iraq, not war, but it's war on terror globally. New war, new rules, new dangers, new victims, still, war. Tolerance is right and just if it's reciprocal, otherwise it's just letting people taking advantage of you and what's worse, of other people...
Beautiful, simply beautiful. Yes, CrazyRob has convince me to. Thanx to GTech for translating CR's words into something I could understand. How could I have been so ignorant all these years.
Hey, don't make me pull our my picture of Saddam and Arafat Kissing, and the very next day Clinton and Arafat close to the same thing.
Hey, don't make me pull our my picture of Saddam and Arafat Kissing, and the very next day Clinton and Arafat close to the same thing.
So according to same logic, The Indians should take over your home, give you 24 hours to leave with what you can carry or put you in a refugee camp and make a wall between you and the true owners of America. Would you agree to give your home to Indians? Let's see how good is your history, when did Indians came to America and when did your ancestor?
Well, let's see... My grandfater was born in a TeePee in OK. Hmmm... You are saying that I have about 1/8th a right to take all the land in American? Whoopie... Yeah!!!! I'm rich! Go back a bit farther bud. Americans did not take Amercia from the Indians. Europeans did
So when something is proved (that Israel did exist prior to WWII), we simply switch over to the Indians? How does that work? Ancestor? I am part Commanche Indian. But I need not rely on my heritage to know and see a threat when one is present. Our country has made many reparations to Indians (my ancestors) through the years. What reparations have muslims made to those countries they've blown up? A wall? Are you serious? You are outraged that Israel (see Sura 32:23 where it mentions Israel. You know, that entity that did not exist prior to WWII, but some how was mysteriously known back in the 600ad time frame) built a wall to prevent terrorists from blowing them up? Yea, that's right along with Rob's thinking. I mean, who are we infidels to stand in the way of those whose religious scriptures call for out deaths, right? We should respect their rights to kill us. Yea, that makes sense! Yet I'm told it's my posts that are idiotic Next?
I did not say that state of Israel existed before 1948, I was just mentioning that if there is some special privilege because ancestor of some people once lived in one place then you should give the same rights to Indians. Here is the link to wikipedia (which is not a Muslim terrorist organization) that clearly shows the state of Israel was formed in May 14,1948. State of Israel Also if you are talking about history, they were first taken by Egyptian, then were freed by Persians and later were taken over by Roman empire and all this happened even before Islam existed. What is your next plan, kill all the Italians because they conquered that area?
I'm not arguing you did say that. In fact, you said the opposite; that Israel DID NOT exist prior to WWI: But if you are going to insist on moral equivalence to justify everything your religion has done over time, then we can use your same argument that muslim countries in the middle east must give rights to all the people and countries it conquered by the sword. Considering Jews are, according islam, "sons of apes and pigs," how do you see that happening? Moral equivalence isn't always applicable to every situation. For example, you tried to justify thousands of muslim attrocities over the past few years by producting Timothy McViegh as a "gotcha." Problem is, you neglected the islamic connection and moved on to the next "gotcha." I do not need Wikipedia to know history. Israel did exist prior to WWII. So Israel did exist and now you suggest was taken by Egypt first? Or do you stand by your first claim that it didn't exist? Tough choices, eh? Which version of history works best for you?
Are you smoking crack? Where did you get that? I said God made Americans? Ease up on the drugs, or at least show me where I said that.
I assume you actually read past the first word? "The State of Israel (Hebrew: ×žÖ°×“Ö´×™× Ö·×ª יִשְׂרָ×ֵל, transliteration: Medinat Yisra'el; Arabic: دَوْلَةْ Ø¥ÙسْرَائÙيل, transliteration: Dawlat Israil) is a country in the Middle East on the eastern edge of the Mediterranean Sea. A parliamentary democracy, it is the world's only Jewish state. Israel was the birthplace of Judaism in the 17th century BCE and of Christianity at the beginning of the 1st century CE. Israel is one of the Biblical names of Jacob. The population of Israel is predominantly Jewish with a large non-Jewish minority, mostly comprising Muslim, Christian, and Druze Arabs. The territory controlled by Israel, including the West Bank and Gaza Strip, borders the states of Lebanon and Syria in the north, Jordan in the east, and Egypt in the south-west. Israel shares the coastlines of the Mediterranean, the Gulf of Aqaba (also known as Gulf of Eilat), and the Dead Sea." I like where it says "Israel was the birthplace of Judasim in the 17th century BCE and of Christainity at the beginning of the 1st century CE." Yet we still claim that Israel did not exist prior to 1948? Dr., get back in the TARDIS... We must have gone back in time and forward, and back.. Ah, screw it, the TARDIS was always broken though wasn't it. What part of CA do you hail from anyway?
What? Racist? I really do not think you know who you are talking to. ARAB's are not a race. Because I do not agree with you, you find me angry. Because you are angry and cannot say anything nice or sensible you pull the race card. Thank you for showing your true colors.
No I am not smoking crack but I have spoken with crack heads that make more sense than you. If you think Americans got nothing to do with Europeans and God didn't made them either, where do you think that they came from? You are mixing 2 definitions and try to justify your reasoning, there is no one that disputes the existence of geographical area historically know as Israel and many significant historical events in that area. The place existed, the same as America, Asia and Africa existed. The questions is, when the STATE of Israel was formed which is 1948. If we are going to correct all the historical changes, why don't we give most of Asia and some part of Europe to Persian because they had the Persian empire and ruled that area. We can give most of the Europe to Italians because of Roman Empire and How about giving America back to Indian or British? To make it very simple for you to understand, North America as a continent and the land of Indian existed very very long time ago, the United State of America as a STATE (country) was established in 1776.
Ha, I've never heard you say that before! According to you, I've shown my true colors at least ten times already. I didn't "pull a race card". Stop repeating things you've heard other people say. When you refer to people as "A-rabs", that's considered a racial slur. Feel free to call it whatever you want if it helps you feel better about yourself. Maybe "bigot" would have been a better choice of words. MY BAD! And calling the Quran a "crayon"? Grow up, man! I couldn't care less about you not agreeing with me. If you did agree w/ me I'd have to re-evaluate my life. If you're not an angry person, I apologize for calling you one. It's just the impression I got based on your comments in this thread.