What? can this be? Gtech can you confirm this?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by pingpong123, Jan 27, 2008.

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    I mean this is imposible. All neocons close your eyes and please pretend this website doesnt exists. Guy sits just a mirage. Its not real. These are muslims and they are quoting from the koran. calvin i was waiting for you to take my dare, but u know what u said about muslims is an untruth.
    Gtech please dont view as it might give you a seizure :D. peaceful muslims? No way, its just an illusion:D. Right calvin?


    http://www.arabsforisrael.com/jewishemails.html

    Who Are We?
    We are Arabs and Moslems who believe:
    • We can support Israel and still support the Palestinian people. Supporting one does not cancel support for the other.
    • We can support the State of Israel and the Jewish religion and still treasure our Arab and Islamic culture.
    • There are many Jews and Israelis who freely express compassion and support for the Palestinians. We Arabs also express reciprocal compassion and support.
    • The existence of the State of Israel is a fact that we accept.
    • Israel is a legitimate state that is not a threat but an asset in the Middle East.
    • Every major World religion has a center of gravity. Islam has Mecca, and Judaism certainly deserves its presence in Israel and Jerusalem.
    • Diversity is a virtue not only in the USA, but would be beneficial around the world. We support a diverse Middle East with protection for human rights, respect and equality under the law to all minorities, including Jews and Christians.
    • Palestinians have several options but are deprived from exercising them because of their leadership, the Arab League and surrounding Arab and Moslem countries who have other goals besides seeing Palestinians live in harmony with Israel.
    • If Palestinians want democracy they can start practicing it now.
    • It will benefit Arabs to end the boycott of Israel.
    • We can resolve our conflicts using non-violent means. Sending our young people on suicide/homicide missions as a form of Jihad is a distortion of Islam. We can do better.
    • We are appalled by the horrific act of terror against the USA on 9/11/2001.
    • It will be better for Arabs when the Arab media ends the incitement and misinformation that result in Arab street rage and violence. We support the Arab media providing coverage of ways that people of all religions are and can live together in harmony.
    • We are eager to see major reformation in how Islam is taught and channeled to bring out the best in Moslems and contribute to the uplifting of the human spirit and advancement of civilization.
    • We believe in freedom to choose or change one’s Religion.
    • We cherish and acknowledge the beauty and contributions of the Middle East culture, but recognize that the Arab/Moslem world is in desperate need of constructive self-criticism and reform.
    • We seek dialogue with Israel. We invite you to join us on a path of love.
    We are NOT:
    • Anti-Islam, Anti-Arab, confrontational or hateful.
    We remember with deep sadness and respect the brave Arabs, known and unknown, who were killed or severely punished for promoting peace with Israel; a special thanks to President Anwar Sadat of Egypt who was killed at the hands of Militant and Radical Islamists after he signed the peace treaty with Israel.
    We salute and commend Arab and Moslem writers, scholars and speakers, who found the strength, commitment and honesty in their hearts to speak out in support of Israel. We thank you for being the pioneers that you are and for holding such sophisticated and advanced views in the realm of Arab and Moslem thinking. You are inspiring us all. ARABS AND MOSLEMS WHO WISH TO POST THEIR VIEWS IN SUPPORT OF ISRAEL CAN DO SO BY EMAILING US. WE WILL THEN POST THEM ANONYMOUSLY, IF THEY WISH. Please send all correspondence to:


    [SIZE=+0]Quran:28:4 [/SIZE]Behold, Pharaoh exalted himself in the land and divided its people into castes. Asad(28,3) [3] One group of them he deemed utterly low (The Children of Israel); he would slaughter their sons and spare (only) their women: Asad(28,4) [4] for, behold, he was one of those who spread corruption [on earth].
    [SIZE=+0]Quran: 28:5 [/SIZE]And We (G-d) wished to be Gracious to those (The Children of Israel) who were being depressed in the land, to make them guiding lights for others and make them heirs.
    [SIZE=+0]A message from T.Hamid:[/SIZE] If G-d himself wants to be gracious to the Children of Israel should not I also be Gracious to them! May G-d bless them all and keep them for the world to make it better and better.


    Israel in the Quran
    2:47 Children of Israel! call to mind the favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations. 2:122 O Children of Israel! call to mind the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations.
    7:137 And We made the children of Israel, who were considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy, and We leveled to the ground the great works and fine
    buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride). 17:104 And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land of promise":
    10:93 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them.
    20:80 O ye Children of Israel! We delivered you from your enemy, and We made a Covenant with you to give you the right side (the blessed side) of Mount Sinai, and We sent down to you Manna (special food) and quails.
    26:59 Thus it was, but We made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things (the promised land)
    45:16 We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophet hood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favored them above all other nations.
    44: 32 And We have chosen them (the Children of Israel) above the 'Alamîn (mankind, and jinns) and our choice was based on a deep knowledge.
    32.23] And certainly We gave the Book to Moses, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel.
    [32.24] And We made of them Guiding Lights and leaders to guide by Our command as they were patient, and they were certain of Our communications.
    [17:104] And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, “ scatter and live all over the world…and when the end of the world is near we will gather you again into the Promised Land”.
    (Comment : This last verse proves that the Quran is declaring that it is the will of G-d himself to gather the children of Israel again in their promised land before the end days. Accordingly, No Muslim has the right to interfere with gathering the Jews in Israel again as this is the will of G-d himself. In addition, Honest analysis of the Quranic verses above leads to the conclusion that the West Bank and Gaza are better called the “occupied” Israeli land.
    Tarek Hamid
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    it's obviously a fake website, it's a well know fact that muslims hate everyone for their freedom
    /sarcasm
     
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    Plus every single one of them are terrorists.
    /sarcasm
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    :D:D:D < i fear i made a mistake posting this link. I think gtech will have to double up on those meds after he sees this.
     
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    Don't worry bro, i won't hate GTech for his freedom... lol....

    This is an excellent post. Israel has the right to exist, and so do Palestinians. Just because Jews are a different race, does not make them special or different. Palestinians are equal.

    Only if the "Powerful Nations" understand, and set aside their greed and bias, then there can be an everlasting peace.

    Palestinians and Israelis, would live side by side, in Peace. Maybe, it would be better of Palestinians and Israelis live "together" as a single, secular nation.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    I posted this link to dispell the notion that its not impossible for both to live side by side. It just takes a few small steps of compassion and love from both sides and it seems like these 2 groups have taken it. No comment from gtech and calvin? Maybe that will stop the posts of hate and ignorance from them and their groupies.
     
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    As far as I can tell the organization and website is only one person from Gaza.

    Gaza is representated by Hamas and it's stated goal is the destruction of Israel.

    The website proves nothing.
     
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    Religion is what fuels the most hate in the world, period.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    There are many people emailing in, and that means they are interested in this message of peace. It all starts with one person man, and im sorry that does prove something. Gaza is one part of palestine and still there are people there that ant peace and it looks like from their emails that there reciprocation from the other side.

    here is another one http://www.wordofmessiah.org/muslims_4_israel.htm

    Thats like saying ghandi's message meant nothing when he had just started to come out with it.
     
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    Nice try :D

    The Arab emails have not been updated since 2005

    If this guy goes to Gaza he will be killed by Hamas as a collaborator.

    The majority of Gazans support terrorism.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    http://www.arabsforisrael.com/arabemails.html I would advise you to look again man, Last email from an arab was nov 2007. Maybe you want the last email to be from 2005. Im waiting for the " I stand corrected part to come into play here:D."

    And dont forget who originally helped to fund hamas without which it never would have started. Yep , correct it was the government of isreal as a buffer against the beliefs and stances of the plo.

    If more people start to listen to these messages maybe the grip of hamas
    and the isreali people can break the grip of the likud and both people will have peace . Im praying this happens , and you can never discount the power of prayer:).
     
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    Hamas is the elected Government of Gaza. One Gaza guy putting up a website will not change that.

    Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, established in 1946 in Gaza. The Muslim Brotherhood was funded by the Nazis.

    The August 1988 Hamas Charter declared that all Palestine is Islamic trust land, can never be surrendered to non-Muslims and is an integral part of Muslim world. It cites the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion as legitimate documents, declares that negotiations and international conferences are a waste of time, and blames 'Zionists' for the French and Russian revolutions.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Translation....Jews are stupid and not as smart as ping pong. Nice way to start off, pingy.

    Seizure over what? Is this like "Jews for Ron Paul?" "Gays for Ron Paul?"

    Sorry, I'm just not as gullible as you are. The stated goal of the palestinian government is to wipe out Israel. This is easily seen by the fact that they fire rockets into Israel, unprovoked. Suicide bombers (which the wall has dramatically cut down on).

    BTW, this site is founded by an ex-muslim Christian. Arabs do not equate to muslims. You were aware of that, right, ping? I'd like to think you have first hand experience on this particular issue.
     
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    Nonie Darwish emigrated to the US in 1978 with her husband and is a US that attends a non-denominational evangelical church.

    Nonie Darwish does not speak for the Hamas or Gazan terrorists.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Perhaps pingy was trying to convince the gullible that she does speak for the gazan barbarians.

    Deception? PingPong? Surely not :D
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    Here we go again. Putting words in my mouth as usual. A talent that gtech is very good at .:D Sorry but if u look into the site there is even an imam that emails in. No deception whatsoever, just saying that not all muslims believ as you want everyone to believe. Like i said as a christian my job is to debate deception and everyone on dp(except for a handful of your groupies) know who is the deceiver here. If i didnt respond then i wouldnt be a christian. Do you know what that word means dude? Your wrong here and your wrong to insult our great president by implying that he is a liar. By teh way you also didnt respond to that question , or do we need to make a thread about that also?
     
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    Do you even believe what you are saying?
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    I wonder about that too. Ping seems like a nice guy who is easily persuaded into "popular" positions.

    He seems to hide behind the notion of being Christian to cover up for many inaccuracies and abuses of truth.
     
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    Speaking of inaccuracies and abuses why not look at the Iraq war and half of the rubbish that comes out of G.W. Bushes mouth. I don't want to make this a Republican or Demorcatic thing. You really cannot sit there and believe this man has not lied and cheated us into the war with Iraq. If you can give me some of what your smoking.
     
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