What can the atheists offer the rest of the world???

But you're saying that an athiest goverment is communist, so by your logic they must be?

Of course you could be wrong

 

So.. it is your view that Communism = Atheistism? That any Atheist in power would automatically be a communist. That Atheists would have the same views and idealisms as the past communist leaders?

 

That's what he's been saying - apparently all atheists are evil controlling people who run communist governments.

But most atheists I've come across support democracy. They wouldn't ban religion - people can believe all they want. They just don't want the government religious beliefs - it leaves too many people out.

 

Christian missionaries converted Swedish people from our beliefs to the "right" one.
Still our government aint really influenced by any church, so you could say we are a atheist country, still, we don't run around and mass slaughter people, dmn.. I guess your theories are totally wrong?
Sad we were forced into Christianity, "god forbid" we get to chose our own gods

Let me quote you: forbid all other parties?
Seems you need to check your history.. Christians have already done that.



Anyways i won't go into a argument, nothing good will come out of it, my arguments have sources, yours is assumptions.

Note: we don't ban any religion as far as i know (If we do, provide me with a source please, would be interesting read.)

 

I completely agree, good point.

 

This is seriously the best you can do?

So now there are degrees of gambling? I didn't think by religious standards it had anything to do with losing ones life savings or jumping off a bridge

When you compare communism with atheism you lose your argument Communism banned churches for absolute power, not because they did not believe in god, not because they were a group of atheists who wanted to kick god out of the world. They did it for power, absolute power.

It has NOTHING to do with 'not believing in god' and everything to do with absolute power.

'Dude' as you would say it, you seriously need to have some facts when trying to debate. Otherwise you make yourself look alot like your fellow hero you talked about a few posts back.

Good to know Church sanctioned gamgling = ok, anyone else is bad. Talk about being a hypocrite.

 

Someone please tell this guy that Communism is not equal to atheism.
Both are two entirely different notations, one being political and another being religious.

 

I think you'll find they have, many many many times. But he either doesn't want to listen, or he's a little slow

 

Of course other atheists will disagree with me. it's a part of being able to think for ourselves. You say it as if it's a bad thing.

There are many atheists on this forum who i have disagreed with on other subjects, and if they disagree with me on atheism that only goes to prove a point we are trying to make. We aren't a group bound by a set of rules. We are individual people, Who have our own ideas, can think for our-self and just happen to not believe in any god, Unlike you who disbelieves in 99.9% of all gods.

Explain to us why you disbelieve in Thor and Vishnu, It will help you understand why we disbelieve in your god.

As for the god references in society. Why should we spend money that has your god on it or make pledges to your god when we don't believe in it? You are only happy with it because it happens to be your god that the pledge mentions and it's your god that is mentioned on the money. But you would be more opposed to it than we are if you had to made a pledge to Vishnu or spend money that had the words "In Thor we trust" on it.

 

Great points once again, stOx. There is a distinct difference between religious intolerance, and wanting religion out of government. Christians make up anywhere from 70-90% of the American population, yet the support for keeping things like the 10 commandments and other religious icons tied into government is NOT 70-90% of the population. Why? Because even a lot of Christians don't think our money should pay for that shit.

Why is it so hard for people to see religious tolerance and religion in government as two separate ideas? We don't give a shit what you believe, but keep it out of government. That goes to Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Wiccans, ANYBODY. This is for two simple reasons, one historical, one economic: taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize your beliefs, and history has shown us that the more government gets tied with religion, the more potential for harm.

 

Christian missionaries should have left you to plunder other people's lands. Scandinavian history isn't my strongest point but from what I read your part of the world is more peaceful since changing from the Viking ways to Christianity. Or maybe they should have left the Vikings in charge of the orphanages. Whoops...the vikings did not build orphanages. It was the other dudes.

Regarding atheism, are you telling me that atheism has at its core belief the right of others to choose other religions (beside atheism)? Because from all I see you've got all this atheists screaming "Christians should not be in government." And sure, you have freedom of religion in Sweden because the government is not entirely atheistic. Has it been entirely atheistic I am sure the way religion is viewed would be changed.

 

Proteindude for the 10 millionth time atheism is not a religion, it is not a group, what do you not get about this?

You are the one saying atheists should not be in government, atheists are not saying Christians should not be in government, simply that their beliefs should not be forced upon others.

If you want to debate you seriously need to #1 post facts and not this twisted incorrect logic you continue to post, #2 not be a total hypocrite #3 learn when proven wrong.

Those 3 items would be a great start for you, you need work on all 3 in a very, very bad way.

 

BINGO! Man you got me again. I should also repent of the time when I was playing marbles because by following your logic that was a sin. We were gambling to see who gets more marbles. Or check this out, under communism as kids we played other games where we would use the lids from soft drink bottles. That was a way of gambling too because sometimes some of us would win and others lose. I think you're going a little too far in trying to show hypocrisy which quite honestly I fail to see in this case.

When I compare communism with atheism it strengthens my argument. After all, communism has as one of its main tennets the belief there is no God and all religion should be eradicated. I am simply looking at the fruits of atheism.

Just like you keep pointing: out with any mention of God from court houses, from coins, from schools and you name it. And of course away with Carols and Christmas pageants from public schools because it can offend atheists.

Again, I am looking at what comes out of atheism which kind of seem to oppose the myth that atheists don't care about religion except to not see it displayed.

 

No I never said anything about a sin, you were the one who brought up gambling. You were opposed to gambling, but only in certain cases, you have shown to be a hypocrite many times in this thread, this is just one of them.
Gambling is for value not simply 'win or lose' of a game, you may wish to look at the meaning of that word as well

So at church, when someone pays to play and is able to 'win' something of value that is ok, but someone who goes to a local casino and pays to 'win' something of value that is not ok? Great logic you spread.

http://www.answers.com/gambling&r=67

No actually it makes you a joke, atheism is not communism. Communism only got rid of religion for absolute power, that is totally different then someone simply not believing in god. How do you figure they are the same?

How can I hold your hand any tighter, I don't see how anyone could be this dense.

Ok as simple as I can put it.
Jon is an asshole, he wants to be in control of everything. He doesn't give a shit if he believes in anything or not he simply wants control, nothing else matters.

David simply does not believe in a god, he wants to live his life and simply doesn't want anyone to force beliefs on him.

These 2 people are different, they are not the same, even though both do not practice religion.

By your logic then Natzi Germany, a christian nation, is an example that all christian nations must follow. Afterall they believed in god they have to be the same.

Natzi Germany comparison to all other religious countries is simply illogical, it however is much more logical comparing something where thier religious beliefs match than what you're trying to do, compare people who simply do not believe.

Stop making shit up, when did I say any mention should be taken away? I believe yet again I am on record in this very thread of being under the belief that children should be allowed to pray in school

Again being a hypocrite though, will you pledge under allah? Will you spend money with Allah engraved on it? Will you force your children to be taught muslim beliefs? Do you not get the constitution does have clauses to make sure religion is not forced onto others?

Yet again they for the most part do not care, they do not want it forced onto them. Come on now you can't seriously be this dense.

 

LMAO - This thread makes me laugh more and more each time I come to it...

It is fascinating to see how the majority of you have valid points and are shown the "right" logical explanation for the others way of thought and still you are pushing to make your belief valid...

When it comes to a question in regards to religion - but atheist belief in general you are always going to come up against a brick wall as other religions cant take grasp of the fact atheists don't believe in a god.

But just because they don't believe in a god doesn't make them less of a person or asset to society, imo they are more of an asset because they have no divine intervention to push other beliefs and are happy to acknowledge other beliefs and go on about there life without hesitation. Where as a majority of most religious believer's feel they need to take control and push there belief on other's.

If someone wants to know a belief they will venture out accordingly and find what they are looking for. Having it pushed in your face just makes you rebel even more.

 

dimeadozen, another member of sanity; welcome.

To everyone else who has not chimed in yet:

I mean, is it that hard to understand that totalitarianism motivated the eradication of religion in favor of pushing communism in Russia? No, it's being twisted into atheism caused communism, how ridiculous.

And is it that hard to see that wanting no religious favoritism or sponsorship in public government, and especially nothing paid for by tax dollars, is an entirely separate concept from religious intolerance and an eradication of religion everywhere?

My tax dollars should not go to pay for a Christian monument, or a Muslim one, or any kind of religious monument. My children (if/when I have them) should be free to go to school without having a particular religious dogma pushed upon them, they and I should be free to believe in any God they choose or none at all, but keep it out of my government.

 

Communism has nothing to do with religious beliefs. You can be religious and still run a communist government. Anyone can be a power hungry bastard.

I think a fully Christian government would be worse than an Atheist government. Christians seem to forget that they're not supposed to judge people and try to force others to share their beliefs.

Would a fully Christian government allow people to live their lives their own way? Believe what they want? Christians tend to kill others who don't share their beliefs.

Most atheist people don't care what you believe. Believe whatever you want, just don't force them to. They want a government that doesn't make it's decisions based on one religion - because not everyone follows one religion.

Religion should be a personal thing. You can let it rule your life but should not force other people to follow.

Even people that are religious can have their own interpretations and personal beliefs. It would be impossible to have a religious government that supported all beliefs.

It's easier to leave religion out of government - which affects all people of the country - but allow it freely in personal lives (so everyone can practice what they want).

 

Maybe this thread would make more sense if it's title was

What can the communists offer the rest of the world???

Proteindude obviously doesn't really understand the definition of either.

 

Possibly a less violent world, sans gods and religions.

 

Wake me up when this thread is over.