What can the atheists offer the rest of the world???

Well you didn't answer my last post yet you're still continuing on this. I'll ask again, so are you willing to have Islam forced upon your child?
You are so dead set on forcing your religious views onto others children..

 

I'm not sure about the USA, but over here both views are taught. Evolution is taught in Science classes as it has a basis in fact - and science is fact.
Creationism is taught in RE as it's a belief.

I don't see a problem with that. In fact parents can request that their children are exempted from the evolution classes is they wish -which I feel is wrong.

 

Hah, yeah right.


I see you continue with your hypocrisy, proteindude. Never thought you were that uneducated.
You said:

How about the theory of relativity ? Should schools stop teaching that ? I mean, it's still considered a theory!
Should schools also start teaching Scientology ? I mean, if you want schools to teach creationism, then surely it's only fair that other religions are taught as well. It's quite similar, actually - Creationism and Scientology both are taken from books. Based on no facts whatsoever.

And you see and analyze things very intelligently btw (atheists are communists!).

 

Dude, that is so totally unrelated. I am not advocating for teaching religion in schools especially Islam. I don't know where you got that from. The point I was making is that it is very logical when it comes to science for example to teach a theory that is full of gaps, missing links and whatever without exposing kids to the other alternative: we are the product of intelligent design. Intelligent design does not automatically mean you are teaching religion. It's a very simple one: either we are the result of intelligent design or we are the product of an accident.

This being so simple there should be no debate about it. Unless of course if challenged by a more plausible alternative, the ramifications of the finding will have an impact that the atheists are totally opposed to.

 

Ask an Albanian

 

Sadly this never gets mentioned in the press. Albania barred ALL religions: muslims, Christians, etc. This country was so isolated it cut the railways linking it with its neighbours. All attention is focused on America. The atheists ignore everything else going on around the world, their problem is with a cross on public land or a set of Ten Commandments in a court house.

Like I said, these atheists really do contribute a lot.

 

Proteindude: That is some serious judgment by you towards the Atheist. That is a very general directed comment made about all atheists. A lot of racist, bigots think like that about groups of people and are bold enough to express it. If the first statements you made in this thread didn't express your wisdom towards a subject this now does.

I am not sure but is this sarcastic, because it seems you are calling them shallow minded and not worldly, but turn around and say they contribute??

 

There are a LOT of atheists in the world. I'm sure at least some of them can contribute something.

 

Most of the contributions have been by atheists. The vast majority of scientists are atheists, So the religious have them to thank for transport, computers, medication, Communications and a plethora of other things.

What do we have religion to thank for? Countless wars and ignorance, Well done guys, Thanks! Such a valuable contribution (worthless primitives)

 

Exactly, atheists are the ones working to improve this world, because we think it's the only one we have. I suppose when you think you can live in a world of shit but have eternity with Jesus if you worship him, it's a lot easier to accept living in a world of shit.

As to what you said earlier, yes, we are being "intolerant of teaching creationism /intelligent design" in a science class. I wish we could have been taught how to get girls and how to dunk a basketball instead of half the shit I learned in my science class, BUT IT'S NOT SCIENCE.

You can say evolution is full of gaps and missing links, but so is the goddamned theory of relativity, but we still use and learn that to describe the forces of the world around us! They are all called theories, because using the knowledge we have, it's a general explanation for something occurring in the real world, and can be backed by scientific evidence. We will keep learning the theory of gravity until we can back up, using science, another explanation of the force we call gravity in our world.

This is why we don't teach your crap in science classes. It is not backed by science, and has no place in a science class.

 

It is fully related, you are asking to teach a view that is based upon religion..

 

If "intelligent design" can get through the process that other science subjects have to, You know, Empirical evidence, Testable models and peer review, it is more than welcome. But while it is nothing more than an altered version of a biblical myth it has to stay in your church and not in our schools. Intelligent design is NOT a science and it's nothing more than a pathetic attempt by the religious to get creation taught in schools again.

While we are trying to go forward, You people are intent on dragging us back to the bronze age. If you want to be as smart as primitive goat herders from 2000 years ago, knock yourself out, But don't try to drag us and our kids down with you.

 

Little Johnny comes home from school: "Daddy, my friend Michael says they have some Christmas carols at the church. Daddy I know you don't like Christians but they really have nice songs. They call them carols. Do we have any nice songs daddy? This atheist group you belong to, do they teach anything fun? Because Michael church has this pageant, but your atheistic organisation never does anything like that."

Little Johnny comes home from school: "Daddy, my friend Michael says his father is going for two weeks to help build an orphanage in x country. Their church also helps build this hospital in this arabic country. I wanted to tell him about your club daddy, about all the good works that you do but all I can think of is you only gather around at this club to bag the Christians."

Little Johnny comes home from school: "Daddy, my friend Michael's grandfather died. He was upset but he said he hopes that he will see his grandfather in Heaven. This thought really comforted him. But you told me there is no heaven so I must go and tell Michael he is wrong. I must go and tell him he will never see his grandfather again."

Again just some little examples of how atheism is making life better for heaps of kids. Just one example of the advantages of being an atheist.

 

How many times am i going to have to say this before it makes it in to that empty space between your ears? Atheists do a lot of good work, they do a lot of charity work and they do a lot of volunteer work, But they don't do it in the name of atheism.

I noticed you didn't mention the time "little johnny" got sexually abused by a priest, or the time "little Johnny" was refused entry in to the boy scouts because he don't believe in god, Or the time "little Johnny" asked his dad "daddy, Why are them sick pieces of shit protesting at a funeral?"

To help you understand basic concepts, here are some things done by atheists.
Buffett donates $37bn to charity
Gates Foundation
Camp Quest
Carnegie gave away over $350 million
Not to mention my own 24 hours a week volunteer work for an animal charity.

How much volunteer work do you do each week? or is it easier to just spout off that mouth of yours and simply claim to be doing more good than everyone else when in actual fact you do nothing for anybody?

I doubt you will address these points and instead will chose to ignore them and go on to make yet another facile point that is easily kicked to death.

 

I can't speak for atheist, but I believe I can show an agnostic possibility...

Nope... But instead of "freedom of religion", it should be "freedom of, and from, religion"...

Nope, never present anything as fact, unless it's a fact...

What? I'd hope for more animal protection laws, as they are living creatures, but I'm not sure what you mean by "first"...

You mean political parties? Forbid them? Nope. I think any logical person would see that in this circumstance, competition is a good thing...

 

As st0x mentioned, religion is all well and good until the priest molests Johnny. Or until Johnny learns how religion is at the root of most wars in modern and ancient civilization. Or how followers of a particular religion want to push their beliefs and values onto everyone else they coexist with.

Christians do a lot of good, I can commend them for that. But as people are showing, you're not the only ones, and more importantly, it's not a fucking contest. The minute you turn it into a pissing match of "who does more good, atheists or Christians or Muslims or whoever?", you undermine the entire purpose of doing charity and good throughout the world. Get off your damned soapbox, because it sounds less like you're out to do good in the world, and more like you're out to brag about it.

I wish some real Christians would come in here and put you in your place, because you honestly seem to have lost your way, and you're letting your ignorance and disdain for another's beliefs bleed through. You keep trying to say that we are the ones who do no good and constantly lambast another's religion, but what exactly is the purpose of this thread? Get over yourself.

 

There are non religious dudes who do good. However, as a whole the atheistic club has one single purpose which is to attack mainly Christianity and it belief. That's what the whole thing revolves around.

Gates foundation and the other one Buffett give money to planned parenthood which is about killing all the unborn babies. I doubt you would consider that a "charitable" foundation. Christians build orphanages, planned parenthood is interested in killing the unborn. But of course that's another subject.

So when was the last time your atheist club had a bbq to raise funds for the needy in the local community? Whoops, the bbq would only be to combat Christianity, the dudes that go all over the world doing good deeds. Less Christians = less hospitals, less orphanages, less schools, etc.

More atheists: more uncaring and cold people. "Sorry my atheistic little kid, we don't have any atheistic songs that can brighten up your day. We can't offer any hope that after you die you will meet any of your loved ones. Sorry my atheistic little kid we don't have a clear set of ideas as a point of reference other than attacking at all costs the Christians and anyone who believes in God."

The atheists only care afterwards. Reminds me of this caring atheist who went to explain to a group of converted canibals how silly they were to believe what the missionary told them, and how none of that is true. The canibals listened to him and after he was finished they asked the atheist to leave their place and be thankful that he (the atheist) came to visit them only AFTER the missionary did. Otherwise the end of this story would have been different.

I don't owe any animals and don't look after any animals. Animals are not a priority for me. So that is why me (proteindude) don't consider what you do as a charity. Seems you are more interested in helping animals and bringing down people's hope. So I was spot on about the atheists.

I still reckon we need more Christians and less atheists.

 

Ok so I wasn't going to even bother anymore, however proteindude you're really making the case for the atheists.

I also found this image funny! I had to save a pic of this post count for proteindude!

Lastly, religious freaks like you are who bring any 'wars' to atheists, not the other way around. They are not a group as you try to call it, by definition they simply do not believe in religion. This does not make them a group by any means.

People like you are the problem, you are the one trying to force others to believe what you believe. You are the one starting shit, yes there are atheists who do the same thing against religions. Most however from what I know simply wish to be left alone when it comes to religion. Believe what you want to believe, just don't force it upon them.

Or can you simply not stand 'unbelievers' is that what this is really about?

 

Sorry dude. You lost me at hello. I am not sure of the point of the pic. Yes, it's religious freaks like me who care for others. What you're saying when you're emplying this old tactic: "Believe what you want to believe, just don't force it upon them." is shut up religious freaks, don't talk to anyone about what you believe or just simply put: Be sileced.

I still don't see what positives atheism can offer the world. You say it's not a group as such: http://www.atheists.org/

Click and see what their whole lives revolves around. Let's have a look at the first page:

THE COURTHOUSE - American Atheists was founded as the result of the famous Supreme Court case which helped to end prayer and bible recitation in public schools. Initiated by the founder of the organization, Madalyn Murray O’Hair, this famous suit is a part of a long tradition in the legal battle for separation of state and church.

If there were no God, there would be no atheists. It's that simple

Let's remember the ultimate goal of atheism which is to eradicate religion.

 

The pic, look at your post count '666' That's funny stuff

Talking about what you believe is totally different than forcing others to believe it, you do get that do you not? Are you not capable of understanding the difference?

Atheists are not a group Simply because a so called organization is formed under the name of Atheist it does not make every single person who does not believe in 'gods' which is considered an Atheist apart of this so called group. You do understand this as well do you not?

If you are talking about this 'group' then I suggest you state this and do not call all atheists, the true definition of those who do not believe in 'gods' into your posts.

Your point behind there being no atheists if there were no god. WTF do you not get about the definition of atheist? They would exist with or without any so called god, they do NOT believe in gods. Do I need to link to the definition of atheists? I think I do

http://www.answers.com/atheist&r=67

This is the definition, not a group named after the term, it does not require gods to exist or not exist in order for an 'atheist' to be around. It's that simple I suggest you do some reading and research and come back after you're done.

The ultimate goal of Atheism as you call it is not to 'eradicate religion' it is to have their own beliefs of which is they do not believe in gods and not to have YOUR beliefs forced down upon them.

Most atheists do not give a shit in what you believe in your own home! They simply do not want what you or I believe, or the government for that matter, forcing a religion that they do not believe down their throats.

When will you wake up to the fact that they are not out to get you, you are the one out to get them. You are the hunter, they are the pray trying to simply live their lives in peace?!