What are your thoughts about gay marriage

I love my wife of 13 years and 6 kids later. (We also did the old fashioned - wait until married thing that seemed to shock the people around me at the time. The questions were quite amusing especially since I was 20 and her 19)

 

I'm going to keep this short and simple. I say do whatever makes you happy.

 

Yes, I am hypocritical and foolish and all those things you people like to call those who believe in civil rights. It was illegal for women to vote not too long ago and lots of men thought the suffragists were "silly and foolish." I am not biased against Christians per se - I am biased against anyone who tries to block the freedom of others. What the holy hell will it hurt you if two men get "married"? I mean, what the ... ? You can call me all the names you want, but the fact that you are even debating whether two people who love each other should have the same rights as you do is absolutely disgusting.

Sorry, I have no patience for people like you.

 

You're right, churches shouldn't be forced to go against their beliefs. So why should two men who love each other be forced against THEIR beliefs? They believe that being "married" would make them happier. Forget this civil union garbage. It's called equal rights.

But no ... the Christian church is holding this country hostage and all of us who don't agree with its silly rules and its horror at gay marriage and the right of a woman to control her own body ... well tough luck on us, right?

I have no problem with Christians practicing their religion. They should just keep it out of my face. Isn't that what they want the gays to do?

 

You are the fool. I don't care what people think of my views, especially people like you, because you are blind to your own foolishness. It really doesn't matter, since I am not trying to make my views into laws that will limit people. I'm not trying to control people's bodies or love lives.

I don't have an anti-christian view of society. I have a pro-civil rights and pro-civil liberties view of society. This unfortunately usually means that I am against Christians because Christians like to control everything down to what birth control a person should or shouldn't use.

I think anyone who follows the teachings of Jesus is wonderful. Follow the corrupt teachings of the Church (not just Christian, but most organized religions) and you end up being like George W - to whom compassion means building "free speech zones", taking away women's rights, taking away gay rights, destroying the environment, promoting abstinence, making America a laughing stock in the world, etc etc.

Angry? Yeah, I'm angry because we're probably going to get four more years of this right-wing garbage. I will probably end up with Alzheimer's like my grandfather because some stupid shrub thinks stem cells are sacred and more important than human lives.

Christians always like to ask "What would Jesus do?"

Well, I seriously doubt he would create an atmosphere of intolerance and hate in the world.

Yeah, I'm done. It's futile.

 

Scary -

 

If I'm what scared you, then I apologize. Frankly, the posts in this thread by others have scared the hell out of me. It's freaky to become obsessed over a word - "marriage."

 

It would be nice to have a Poll for this thread with sex statistics such as: male, female, lesbian, guy, other etc .. ???
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If you ask me (as a man) I only feel comfortable about lesbian (female-to-female) couples/marriages... and NO NO NO NO to male-to-male..
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No to same sex-marriages for males BUT open door for females ....

 

I'm a straight female. I love the idea of gay men "coupling." 85% of gay porn is sold to females.

 

I am a bisexual female, I don't mind seeing two women together but do not like watching two men.

I didn't know 85% of gay porn was sold to females, that is interesting.

 

What does it hurt you then if a 45 year old man and his 13 year old male lover (or female lover) want to be married? What about a man and his horse? You have to draw the lines somewhere, fortunately they have been drawn.

 

Sounds like someone pissed you off something fierce somewhere in your life and they were probably a Christian. I don't mind you voicing your opinion, but you sure are blanketing a big group of people with your statements. Do I believe in what GW is doing, NO. Do I believe in WWJD, YES. Everything in life is two choices. If when you come to those choices and say "what would Jesus do" and make your decision based on that, then you will be healthy and happy (like me ). Would Jesus invade Iraq? NO. If you feel your country is so hard done by, you really should stop watching TV and visit some of the other countries of the World. Ask Shawn where he would rather live, Russia or here and I have a pretty good idea what his answer would be. I really do not like you lumping me in with GW. Do you want me to lump you in the David Duke? He just wanted to change the current laws to what he felt was right....

 

Something of a non-sequeteur comparing two consenting same-sex adults in a relationship to a relationship between an adult and a child. A cheap shot, to compare the morality of the two by association, that doesn't hold water.

I can't marry my toaster either. Irelevant.

 

Disagree, many people are in love at 13. Who is to say whether these two are consenting or not. I have seen on talk shows where they were, that is the sad reality.

You are not going to please everyone all the time, that is why the laws are created.

 

And the law, in those cases, recognises the need to protect the child, and the responsibility of the adult to do so. There is no comparison.

And I agree the law is the law, and breaking the law has consequences. But arguing against a law that many percieve is unjust has a long and accepted history

 

I would say the law also protects the sanctity of marriage as well, between a man and woman.

You are right, revolution against laws has been going on for thousands of years. It is the giving in to this one and then that one that will bring society to its knees. We are in an 'uber' sensitive era. We just need to make sure that the laws are being kept to protect the masses.

 

We are going to have to agree to differ in some areas, here. To me marriage is indeed a spiritual union, but not being a christian, I have no difficulty with the idea of a spiritual union between same sex partners. The sanctity of my marriage is in no way altered by recognising the sanctity of the the relationship between same sex partners.

With reference to your previous post, and as a devils advocate , how old was Sara when she married Abraham?

 

I sure am sorry to have been too busy to chime in again.

I am a christian, but I would like to state this as my opinion, it is religion that causes wars, it is religion that causes conflict, and it is religion that causes many of the intolerances in this world. The problem is that many have lost sight of the fact that 'faith' and 'religion' are two totally different things Faith is beleiving in something, religion is conforming to a set of rules.

Chiara, I have stated that I am religious (a Christian to be precise) but my faith in God, my personal thoughts on the law, and my Sense of what is right and socially acceptable should not all be bundled into my 'Christian Opressor' bag. They are totally different elements of my being. I totally disagree with hunting a fox with a pack of dogs. This has absolutely nothing to do with my religious beliefs, it is simply that I see hunting in this manner in this day and age, and causing so much suffereing to an animal for fun as morally wrong.

I am not intolerant of gays, Hell I have posted that I had a business with a gay chap. I am against the gay scene, but then again I am against all forms on infidelity, again, nothing to do with my being a Christian. (although this is part of the teachings.

I am as against non Christians getting married in a church as I am gays getting married in church. Many people have Christening ceremonies in church, and openly make a vow to bring their kids up in the ways of the scriptures. Most people visit church for weddings and funerals, and no other reason, yet they want to use the church to get married in.

We have many issues here, the first is legality, and like it or not, many of these laws are based upon what was deemed to have been right and acceptable at the time they were made.

The second issue is what is acceptable and what is not.

There are also a host of others, one of which you throw out as being freedom of speach and civil rights. A church is a place that has a set of rules, if you go into a church, then you should, out of HUMAN DECENCY, respect the values held within that church. Exactly the same as you would respect your parents house, or that of a favourite member of your family.

Many churches approve of having a 'blessing' ceremony of same sex, others do not. My point is that while you scream 'human rights' who's? Surely people have the right to tell others how to behave in their own house? We can not scream human rights when we are in a place that has its own values. This is the issue of respect and is a totally different issue. My point being that you would not strip off all your clothes and dance naked at your grandmothers 75th birthday, in her house if you knew it would offend your grandmother. We should have respect and tolerance of each other that is separate from, but takes into considertion the laws of the land.

You say about 'words' being the problem, I agree here is the legal definition of Marriage.
marriage is the legal union of a man and woman as a husband and wife. Until the wording of the legal definition of 'marriage' is changed, it would be technically ilegal to call the ceremony of same sex, a marriage.

The issue of dogs going to heaven etc is a silly one, and we will end up quoting scripture which some will accept, and the ultimate defence of some wil be that they do not believe in it anyhow so it don't matter.

I am a scientist, and I have had many 'heated' discussions about the creation of the earth. That however is a far deeper discussion than this, as we have to consider what was meant by a 'day' how long? exact definitions etc? We can hardly argue against evolution, as there is scientific proof. But as I say, that is an argument for another day.

IMO people who say 'you people' weaken thier own argument. We should not generalise, and certainly no matter how strongly we feel, we should try to think about what we say before we say it.

As my old sensai said about keeping our temper under control with regard a competition. "Once you lose it, you've lost it"

 

TF It pleases me to hear you use words like sanctity, as IMO that is what it is all about. I am fortunate to love my wife, and believe me I know I love her as my whole outlook on life has changed since falling in love. I grew up on a rough housing estate where you did what you did and whatever you did was ok, the only people who had the right to question what you did were those able to physically shout you down.

I grew up knowing what was right and wrong, but not giving a hoot about it. I have done things in the past that would shock some that know me now, but that is past, and I truly believe that no experience in life, no matter how painfull, is wasted, provided we learn from it!

Sanctity is a great word, as it harks back to my 'faith' point. I have faith in the fact that my wife feels the same way about me as I feel about her. I have faith in her love to believe that when she goes out without me she is going to be faithfull. When you love someone like that, there is no need to have a set of rules, even though you vow to 'forsake all others' it is NOT the set of rules that stops me, it is not the legality of marriage, it is the fact that I respect the sanctity of our relationship.

I have a gay couple as friends, and they have been together for almost 30 years. Their love for each other is no less strong than that which my wife and I share. I see thier love as no different to that which I feel. Love is love.

 

here, here OWG. Very well put. Eloquent and precise. I have one question though, do you accept marriage between homosexuals outside of the church and using the 'title' of marriage? I believe that they would have a union, but find the term marriage should be saved for a man and a woman.