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What are the Responsive Web Design Benefits?

Discussion in 'HTML & Website Design' started by Karthika Qpt, Mar 31, 2016.

  1. kk5st

    kk5st Prominent Member

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    #21
    I think you are missing a whole lot of factors, not the least of which is the stupidity of starting a war on two fronts and pissing off the US with its stupendous manufacturing capacity.

    Regarding VHS vs Beta, Sony effed up by demanding high royalties where Japan Victor charged only a few pennies for licensing its design. It had nothing to do with 'time to market'.
     
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    #22
    VHS was chosen by porn industry even Betamax was technically better solution- it is not about license fee- Windows vs Linux.
    I assume you are engineer not in business management. We represents two different worlds- yours is 0/1 my is driven by $.

    I do not know what kind of history it has been taught in your country but any US tank has no chance with any Panthera or a Tiger 88's- the main problem was maintenance. There was no single Sherman (called candle since they burn like candles on horison due perfect gasoline engine) which could compete with them, but simply german solution was to perfect- it was difficult to manufacture, difficult to fix in field, required highly skilled team of technicians. This is why candles won....

    This is why Saas based solutions are much more popular- they are not better but time to market, fairly easy to operate, variety of applications and you do not need to overpay for engineering team. Why someone have to pay 30$ an hour of perfect coding if for this money have ready to go solution for his business for a month.

    When we talk about e-commerce web development- it is not about FPGA coding where excellence matter- market accepts not optimised code and have no time for waiting.
    It is business not space engineering- market accepts, makes requests- it is not about what is technically better.

    There is no point of mastering the code. Business has no time for waiting- Siemens Mobile had perfect code... touchscreen Rubby was prototyped 5 years before iPhone popped up on market... and now it is dead people story about perfect code.

    I agree that some parts of world have limited internet speed but do you think that people who cannot pay for high speed internet will have money for online shopping- today?
    Make no sense... When you take a look on amount of transactions in commerce and average high speed internet accessibility only blind cannot see correlation. Competition run has no time for waiting... It is more likely infrastructure to be adjusted than mastering a code- take a look on content structure- it require higher speed and CPUs on both sides- people want pictures and video... both of them require network adjustment- since here is potential there will be someone to cash it by services.
     
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    #24
    One more time: Comunal whore is cheaper than your perfect "bride", you pay for what you use, do not need married and pay for becoming fat and cancer sick. There is no wedding cost, no medical cover, no dental and you are free to swap for one which works for you even you have limited budget and you are 60 years old.
     
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  5. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    It was most certainly about license fees, since the license restricted PRODUCTION OF THE PLAYERS. Anyone who knows the first damned thing about that time period knows that the thing that killed Beta was that Sony wouldn't let anyone else build PLAYERS without an arm, leg, and a document signing away your first-born.

    JVC and RCA opened the door to competition and innovation, leaving Sony to stagnate.

    <ost of those restrictions were caused by the need to ship it across an ocean. You're not going to ship a Tiger across the Atlantic in WWII.

    ...and then the old tanker joke "One Tiger is worth ten Sherman's, but the Americans always have that eleventh Sherman" came about because the US was relatively isolated from the devastation of the war, wasn't having its resources choked off, etc, etc...

    Even if they made cheaper designs like the Americans had, they lacked the resources to make them in sufficient numbers to overwhelm the US anyways. There's a REASON they invaded Africa after all, mainland Europe is a wasteland in terms of the raw materials needed to sustain a war.

    Same reason the Brits built an Empire; hell, it's the same reason the Japanese responded to the US oil embargo with a war. (A detail about Pearl that yes, is left out of US history books).

    Unthreatened natural resources to exploit mated to unthreatened manufacturing will beat the living tar out of factories that have to be rebuilt every MORNING every time!

    The problem wasn't the design -- even if they had made a cheaper design they lacked the resources to even come close to competing long term. It's hard to fix things when you lack the resources to make a parts stockpile -- in that way the superior unit was the superior choice as it's only ONE unit you have to have the logistical support for, instead of ten.

    See the lesson the USN learned on the Phantom II vs. the Fatcat... In both cases they were "Operational readyness, what's that?" but the more expensive recruitment poster was cheaper to run as there were less of them to try and keep flightworthy meaning you didn't need as deep a logistical pool.

    ... and if the result is useless to visitors by being a giant middle finger to accessiblity and taking so long to load nobody is going to wait for it to finish, what good is it? That's just a nube-predating scam artist money pit. You're not going to make money by telling site visitors to go **** themselves -- which is EXACTLY what those types of fly-by-night cookie-cutter train wrecks do!!!

    What makes no sense is that you seem to think the available connection speeds has anything to do with what people can afford. The BEST connection available here might be 50mpbs cable, but with half a second ping time MINIMUM regardless of what you spend, your point is moot. Large swaths of America are still stuck at BEST at 256k DSL or slower REGARDLESS of how much you are willing to spend --EDIT, short of shelling out a few billion to have another backbone built just for you. --. Mobile devices have far less bandwidth... Much less what about people just sitting around mooching at Panera Bread or Starbucks? If they're in one of those hipster BS hells it's not like they don't have money -- but everyone is sitting around sharing a pipe that's connection limited; again making that file count the most important thing to keep low!

    Much less, what about bandwidth CAPS? You do know there's a bandwidth crunch impending and providers everywhere are looking at implementing usage caps that either cut you off cold or nail you with overage charges, right? That's pretty much SOP here for mobile carriers (where we're still spotty on 3g coverage... 4g? *LAUGH*) -- but ask our friends in Canada and Australia about bandwidth caps some time. Between a $50/mo cable bill magically becoming a grand thanks to overages in CA and our friends down in Oz having their 5mbps connects neutered down to 128kbps after the first half a gig, they're going to tell fat bloated sites like the ones you're promoting to go shtup themselves!

    That's also why search engines have taken to penalizing bloated slow sites as well -- in addition to testing for mobile access and accessibility.

    ... and blindly throwing more hardware at it isn't going to fix that. Oh, I'm sorry, "infrastructure to be adjusted" -- great euphemism there. Shame nobody is building new backbones and pretty soon ALL our bandwidth is going to start getting throttled because of the impending bandwidth crunch that will result.

    Which is all why things such as those you're promoting strike me as nube-predating scam artist bullshit -- taking advantage of those who don't know any better with crap slopped together any-old-way trying to convince people who probably shouldn't have a business that they can... in the process raping their wallet like a second rate televangelist using "get rich quick" nonsense that has all the legitimacy of a 3AM infomercial.

    Hence why none of that crap has any business being used in a legitimate business... but continues to thrive thanks to sleazy dirtbag hucksters exploiting the fears and hopes of the ill informed.
     
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    #26
    People are scared of ghosts- have you ever seen any?
    Christians usually do not even open a bible before donation, this is reality and you either learn to live with it or will be nailed down to cross.

     
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    I also like your assumption that $30 pays for an hour of time :D
    Hm... hourly rate would be between $100 and $150 if I was charging local prices - I do cheaper work online, small scale, simply because I can do that and avoid some taxes and such, hence make more overall, but $30... lol.
     
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    #28
    I dont think all multi-device problem solved by "The Great of King Responsive".
    Web Responsive is prefered for minimal content website. You can build your small company profile with wb responsive. But not a big picture news website with 3 x 3 thousand row. I wont use web responsive technique for Dashboard design too, except i can use single page webapps.
    Define Your target mobile audiens, average device and bandwith consume by your target audiens, and what content you want to delivers. There are some reasons why facebook and google play with their AMP and instant article, or self-rendering page. Its about the audiens.

    Define the right tools for your audiens.
     
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    kk5st Prominent Member

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    You're right, responsive design isn't the right tool ... yet. First, the site needs a competent information architect (IA) to organize the site and its pages to ease the visitors' finding the article(s) of interest. (IAs are usually students of library science, though a formal education isn't necessary for most cases.) Concurrently, a knowledgeable usability developer should be setting the limits on how much data to show at a time, and with the IA, determining the order of data.

    Once you have a truly usable web page, responsiveness is a trivial pursuit.

    gary
     
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    Assuming I'm deciphering your broken "Engrish moist goodry" I disagree on that -- you can have plenty of content, and the CONTENT should be dictating the layout... BUT, the rules of accessible design and development also means there are a LOT of layout concepts that have ZERO damned business on a website, or that as a rule of thumb just piss off visitors.

    Sadly a lot of the ignorant fools who "all they know is photoshop" who screw around making PSD's and call it "design" (when it clearly isn't, it's graphic arts) are unable to grasp such concepts, which is why 99.9999999% of layouts that start life that way are inaccessible broken trash made by people who shouldn't be making websites -- their ignorance of HTML, CSS, accessibility norms, even emissive colourspace leaves them woefully ill-equipped to be designing a blasted thing.

    I'm not sure if I follow what you are trying to say, or what a "3 x 3 thousand row" even is, but it SOUNDS like the type of "presentation first" development that has zero damned business on a site; that or so many elements (9,000) you've pissed on usability from so on-high you'd think the almighty just got back from a kegger.

    It's not that responsive isn't the answer, it's that there's a LOT of garbage -- like what the artsy fartsy types do on websites when dicking around in photoshop going so image-heavy THERE IS NO ACTUAL CONTENT -- that simply doesn't belong on websites in the first place if you care at ALL about accessibility, usability, functionality, and usefulness to the end-user.

    Garbage like fixed columns that you want to always stay that same number of columns...

    Again, content should be built as if HTML, CSS and layout don't even exist. You then semantically markup the content saying what things are, and NOT what you want them to look like; then and only then should you use CSS, DIV and SPAN to create the layout. Content dictates markup, content+markup dictates layout.

    Do you have an example of the type of site you mean? I really was unable to glean that from your post as, well... it took me ten minutes just to figure out what in blazes you meant by audiens. (I'm assuming you mean audience)
     
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    Hi..
    I personally think responsive is the only way to go now. A lot of web designers stubbornly refuse to go responsive but I don’t blame them – this limits tons of functionality and I hate these drop down responsive menus – awful.
    So long as it works well on an iPad, I don’t see a problem with it.
    I did temporarily disable the responsive part of my website and noticed a drop in rankings overnight – so careful out there for those who think responsive design doesn’t affect rankings. It does unfortunately :(

    I am agreed on that part that yes, responsive web design is cost effective and it is recommended by Google search engine. Even they insist the people to convert their site mobile friendly so it can perform well in mobile search.

    Therefore , it will assist the internet people for creating new webpage or even a blog from start
    to end.
    You can have a look at http://perthmarketingsolutions.com/ to know about web designing benefits and techniques I have used.
    Hope it works out for you aswell.
     
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