Ferret, I think you must be an idiot. It's not about women playing games. But if you're going to start acting like a three year old and bug us because we won't "play" with you, then you're going to have to deal with the consequences. If some men would just learn when to drop it, they'd probably be a helluva lot happier with the outcome.
Yes Daniel, the smart women are able to tell a real listener from a player whose only interested in one thing. I am sure there are men out there who are willing to listen to women, but it seems from my personal perspective that a lot of them could care less.
If you have to nag for sex then your not the right guy for that woman I agree Sarah, Aside form listening and being sincerely interested respect, consideration, loyalty, trust, honesty are just a few that I consider to be important. One of the best thats for sure Just to reiterate all of my posts to this thread are just my opinion and Id ont expect anyone to agree with them.
Here's my suggestion: Stop trying to understand the opposite sex, you never will. Give it up. We're different for good reasons, just accept them and live with them. As Seinfield says, 'I will never understand why a woman can take hot wax on her and pull her hair from the root...but be scared of spiders....' Men are no different, women will never understand why men have their own equally silly perspectives. Give it up....and accept people for what they are or move-on.
I really don't think that kills attraction at all. The second a guy I'm with so much as looks at another woman the wrong way, he's out the door. There's definitely no attraction to the man-whore variety, and I'd bet a lot of women, even if not all, feel the same way. The biggest thing that kills attraction is when one or both partners stops "trying." They think just b/c they've landed some hot chick they don't have to be romantic anymore, or just b/c she's landed some nice guy / rich guy/ whatever he is, then she doesn't have to care at all about how she looks anymore. It would be so amazingly nice if everyone were just themselves in the beginning, and then there wouldn't be so much added effort to maintain an ideal or lose a relationship. Probably never going to happen though. As for women just wanting "manly" men, that's such a crock of.... That's a pretty ridiculous generalization, and simply isn't true of women as a whole... perhaps of a few particular groups that I won't be rude enough to mention, but that's another story. There are a heck of a lot of women out there who would do anything to actually find a "nice guy" and not some macho type w/ an ego the size of Texas. It's not about money or muscles or attitude as much as men would like to think. I know absolutely gorgeous women who prefer your stereotypical "dork" over the man's man type any day, and who easily make twice what their husbands or boyfriends do. It's not uncommon. If anything, a lot of guys are just too intimidated by smart, successful women. They target complete airheads for that reason, and then wonder why they're around for their money, body, or whatever, and equate it to all women. I don't know about the rest of the women here, but I can't believe most are that fickle. Heck, I'd be thoroughly impressed if I could find a decent guy with a good set of morals, who could hold an intelligent conversation... and who's taller than me for a change. lol Women don't want men to be a "wuss" or suck up to them, but they also don't want some pathetic meathead or boy living off of mommy and daddy's trust fund. More often than not, they want a guy who can disagree with them and tell them no once in a while, but who isn't going to fly off a wall on an arguement. We don't want them being out little puppy dogs following us around and heeding our every command, but we want them to actually want to spend time with us and do things for us. There's a pretty big difference between that and saying society tells everyone to be a "wuss", and you saying they should be a "man" (given the traditional connotations).
If you have to nag for access then maybe you should stop and think for a minute because chances are you screwed up - women like sex just as much as men. No, tell a lie, my experience suggests they like it more than us (but cant admit it for fear of how society would brand them, thereby decreasing their chances of getting a quality mate in the future) So if you are with a woman who loses interest in sex then its possible its down to her (psychological problems) but far, far more likely because you have ceased to be an interest or a challenge and therefore have become less attractive in her eyes. Begging or nagging for sex just shows you are a guy with little to no value to her and why would she want to be with someone like that when there are so many other options available?
Ummmmm last time I looked I wasnt a woman. Also just to mention it from reading your posts you seem very superficial ferret. I have no doubt that alot if not the majority of men couldnt care less and are just out to get into a womans pants but hey Denise I'm living proof that not ALL men are like that
There are a lot of things I agree with in your post, Jenn. Bravo Honestly, I date what some people would consider "dorks." The one time I dated a "man's man," he ended up being a complete jerk, full of himself, and thought he was God's gift to women. He wasn't, I found out, and dropped him like a ton of bricks. It's not always about manly men for most women; but like Jenn said, it's about finding a man who isn't intimidated by a smart, strong and successful woman.
Also women don't only talk about themselves. What you said here just demonstrates how little you DO listen to a woman. wow such ignorance.
you are probably one of those guys who pretends he is a "friend" till he he can make his move you know they guy I'm talking about, that non threatening guy who seems to always be there for your girlfriend, that shoulder to cry on, waiting for his chance ....
They really do. And sure it would be easier if we just told men when they screwed up... but let's face it. Men don't tend to like hearing about it. If you give a women even a little bit of an emotional connection, and don't put on pressure for sex, you'll probably get it. If she says no, it's probably not that she's not in the mood to have sex, even at that very moment... just not with you.
I don't think he's like that, but it's quite obvious from YOUR comments that you are superficial. Maybe you should take a moment to really listen when a woman talks. You might be surprised at what you actually discover about her!
Well then maybe you should take a hint, and be that shoulder to cry on so she doesn't have to get that somewhere else. Strong emotional connection = great sex life. Get a clue already.
Do you suppose or do you KNOW for sure? lol Nope I'm not that guy at all I don't feel that I need to pretend anything. I simply have no problem being myself and I listen to a woman that I'm interested in. For the most part if a girl has a b/f and I find out about it I move on. There are occasions where I have ended up being interested in a woman who has been taken and I do admit that isnt always the greatest situation to be in especially if you develop feelings for her.
For real... sheesh. Sex is meaningless without the emotional connection backing it up. I guess that doesn't matter though if you're into the whole two dollar whore thing.