Im really wanting to just put the thumb generation software in the opensource area but its such dirty code im embarrased. It does the job thou! ps. for all those that wanted the source code, appologies for taking so long. If you really want it in the dirty form then pm me and ill send you a copy. Remember its predominatnly c#... Ive also just added the "visitors flags" code in the opensource, so if you ever wanted to know how to turn a visitors ip address to there country of origin's flag then check it out (ps. its not 100% guaranteed that the visitors ip is there address due to proxies and service providers backbones etc, but its still a good indicator for the most part) I'm still working on packaging the "yahoo quick tours", its so damn hard working out how to package that. It would make a great vehicle for sitewide adverts or even simple training sessions (like powerpoint presentations). Again if you really want this code then pm me and ill send it to ya, it makes heavy use of the yahoo user interface (YUI) and javascript/dhtml! Rip That Page Regards LiquidBoy