We Blocked FaceBook in Pakistan

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by wajid_pk, May 19, 2010.

  1. nightcrawlers

    nightcrawlers Active Member

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    #121
    You are relating porn with religion this is not the example I was looking for and Burqa is not necessary in Islam. The basic thing is you should not show and expose your parts.
     
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  2. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    #122
    From a productivity standpoint, I think banning facebook is a great idea. The US should do it too!! :D

    However, I'd much rather see Pakistan ban terrorism and extremism first. But you can't really count on any government to make common sense decisions.
     
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    b4db0y Notable Member

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    #123
    No not Al-Bukhari


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    I have a video of this question in urdu. Give me a day to translate it (take out the exact reason)
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    Also covering ones face (general answer will translate it)
    Women have to cover their part of the body(chest/legs) which may lead to a man being attracted to her. If one feels that covering the face would protect a man from being attracted that is done. The basic parts are : Hair/ Legs/ Hands/ Chest
     
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  4. nightcrawlers

    nightcrawlers Active Member

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    #124
    Banning terrorism!! you have mentioned like it is enjoyed by Pakistani people and Government, no country can ban terrorism and as far as extremism is concerned in every religion there are extremists. If this was the case they would never allow Americans to use the bases against terrorists and extremists. We also suffered many lives due to this situation and no one enjoy being like this, you are an American it is easy for you to comment while sitting over there. If you look at the reality and see the facts how many lives we have lost in suicide bombings and many soldiers died fighting with them you wouldn't be commenting on us.

    As far as FB is concerned it should be banned for good.
     
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  5. wajid_pk

    wajid_pk Peon

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    #125
    We (our Army) fighting against terrorists
    and the one who said we are speech free Go and collect some newspapers since January 2010 and search for cases
    arrests bans on political groups, fines and jails against those who talked against Jews
    recently a newspaper banned because Editor wrote "Dirt Jews" in his newspaper
    even 17 years old boy arrested because he yelled Jews should be killed

    any Urdu speaker who can translate into English ?
    http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100947110&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20100522
     
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  6. babak44

    babak44 Active Member

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    #126
    these are parts of Quran which mentioned about Hijab (cover)

     
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  7. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    #127
    Gog and Magog is a name of nation who will appear near Judgement day.

    Its written about judgemnt day where Prophet Jesus will came near Judgment day.

    An examination of the verses about Jesus (A.S) in the Quran indicates that Jesus (A.S) neither died nor was killed, but he was raised to the presence of Allah. In Surat an-Nisa, it is related that Jesus (A.S) was not killed but raised to the presence of Allah. The related verse follows:

    And (on account of) their saying, "We killed the Messiah, 'Isa son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat an-Nisa: 157-158)

    He is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it. But follow me. This is a straight path. (Surat az-Zukhruf: 43:61)

    So you want to say that Al Qaida working against non-Muslims? come one. check o ut the news who is the most effected country in the world by Al-Qaida? it is Pakistan not non-Muslim country.

    Quran ayaats are not only for some specific person or nation, its for all human being so

    That is why We decreed for the children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being, except (as punishment) for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it shall be like killing all humanity; and whosoever saves a life, saves the entire human race. Our apostles brought clear proofs to them; but even after that most of them committed excesses in the land. (32)

    Its does not mean that this ayaat was come to the wolrd only for Children of Israel but the whole human beings who will born till judgment day

    "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Holy Quran, 2:190)"

    "Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Holy Quran, 25:68-69)"

    "God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Holy Quran, 60:8)"

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Holy Quran, 2:256)"

    I belive on Quran and Ahadees as well
     
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  8. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #128
    Is watching porn a jailable offence in Pakistan? :eek:

    Whats the problem if men are attracted to women? It's supposed to be like this. It is made so by nature. Not some old man deciding who his daughter/son should be marrying. Do Muslims not believe in any kind of free will?

    Why can't you let people decide for themselves?

    Answer that.
     
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  9. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #129
    At least you put terrorist activities and Muslim in the same sentence. The fact that you, and any other sane person on the planet (besides our president), is able to acknowledge the connection between those two words provides a starting point in dealing with the problem of terrorism.

    I can sympathize with what you have said about the problem being there, in your back yard. More than being anti-terrorist, or anti-western, I imagine most Pakis just wish the violence would stop. The thing is NATO is not flying drones in your northern tribal regions because we desire to corner the Gobi Aloo market. The assassination of Benazir Bhutto , suicide bombings, and violence have not come to Pakistan because US is interested in putting a gas pipeline across Afghanistan, regardless of what Blogmaster might tell you. The people creating the unrest, and carrying out the violence are highly religious, and are using the religion as a tool to both recruit and manipulate people into weaponizing themselves against innocent civilians in many countries(including yours) in the name of Allah. People like your beloved Dr. Naik give those who would commit such acts 80% of what they need to take that step. It just takes someone a bit more politically motivated to give them that extra 20% shove.

    [Edit] Take these people for example...
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    Burning US flags over someone exercising their right to free speech in the US. How far off from committing violence do you think they are? If they did commit an act of violence, would you say religion was a motivating factor?

    [Edit Again]This just got posted on another thread by one of your fellow Muslims.
    Now tell me again how people are safe from the hands of Muslims?

    Was the Holy Catholic Church at all to blame for the crusades and the dark ages? Perhaps there were some evil people involved, but they could not have done what they did without the support of lots of "God fearing" people who listened to their priest.

    Porn is legal in most countries. Didn't you get the memo? Before I had kids, I liked to have some porn playing in the house at all times.
     
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  10. wajid_pk

    wajid_pk Peon

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    #130
    In Islam when women reach 14+ she have will to chose her husband
    you may read some cases that parents force there children to follow there will this is not because of Islam this is a circumstance of most Asian countries
    Do not mix circumstance with religion
    Islam give more Honor to womens
    if your daughter goes into a park do sex and then into another park and again is this freedom ?
    No
    you are killing the difference between bitch dog and boy girl
    what is the difference between a bitch and dog and a boy girl who are doing in same manners

    i give you a way to examen just contact a women who was non Muslim and become Muslim
    ask what she feels now
    what difference between that life and this life

    Read the History
    they put there girls into grave alive
    the First who stopped them was ???
    Go and research you may find Muhammad the first who stop them

    recently NASA declared that sun ll change its rising and falling points it ll come up from west and ll fall in east
    we told that 1400 years ago

    Again circumstance is another thing and religion is another

    Why you do not allow to marry your Bishop he is not human he do not have feelings ?
    this is circumstance not religion
     
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  11. nightcrawlers

    nightcrawlers Active Member

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    #131
    Well you don't have much knowledge they can decide whoever they want to marry and moral values are much higher, so their parents decide whom to marry and they also have a free will. We can have arguments over arguments and we might not be able to convince you because you don't want to be convinced.
     
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  12. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #132
    Thats actually none of the Mullahs business. Who gave Mammud the right to dictate morality when he him self had 12 wives and one 6 year old?
    It is okay for a man to go fuck one wife then fuck another and then another 9 year old? Why are you so blind?

    You and nightcrawler say that women have equal rights. So now explain this (both of you in particular): Why are women not allowed multiple husbands? Why do they not get 72 virgin men in heaven under Islam belief? Why can they not divorce their husbands by saying the word thrice under Sharia law?
     
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  13. soneat

    soneat Peon

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    #133
    Oh man this thread is too funny...
    Seriously, I shouldn't be posting here, to be honest, but I was too tempted...
    So, I'll bite.

    Well, first of all, banning Facebook (or twitter or whatnot) is, IMHO, a display of fear rather than anything else.
    I mean, think about it, instead of just saying "Well, what the heck, some people are drawing pictures of Mohamed..." and then walking away, the country's reaction is to flat out ban Facebook, by order of the supreme court no less. A bit defensive, don't you think?

    On another note, the whole idea of not depicting Mohamed went all tits up didn't it?
    Correct me if my interpretation is wrong, but aren't you guys disallowed to depict Mohamed for the sole purpose of preventing a cult of personality (ala Jesus H. Christ)? Is it not god that comes before any prophet, thus by depicting a prophet you are indirectly making him into an icon? Thus, of course based on the Quran, depicting Mohamed is prohibited because it would cause a cult of personality?

    Now, if you are still with me, isn't banning a whole social network because some 14 year olds depicted the profit exactly that? Aren't you actually participating in a cult of personality by giving it so much attention (similar to somebody drawing a caricature of Stalin in 1940s Soviet Russia)??

    I rest my case.
     
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  14. babak44

    babak44 Active Member

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    #134
    you mentioned in you previous post
    I agree with you and mentioned it in my previous post
    but I see your behaivore toward Al-Qaida is so different with what you done with Facebook and youtube why? I mean Pakistani people definitly and your clergy.

    I'm glad you mentioned this part of Quran correctly. I told about it twice already don't want tell it for third times.

    and in continue
    "and kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the sacred mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers (Holy Quran, 2:191)

    and also

    Chapter 9: AL-TAWBA, BARA'AH (REPENTANCE)
    "so when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely allah is forgiving, merciful.(5)
    fight those who do not believe in allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what allah and his messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection (29)
    and the jews say: uzair is the son of allah; and the christians say: the messiah is the son of allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (30)

    o prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination (73)
    o you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that allah is with those who guard (against evil) (123)

    Read it again and again will find out, it is for who. After accept Islam "that never breaks".
     
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    babak44 Active Member

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    #135
    I have to know Islam again!
    it was forty not fourteen if you are talking about Khadijeh (first wife of prophet mohammad).
     
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    wajid_pk Peon

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    #136
    When women reach to "san e baloghat " she ll be asked for her will
    " we are going to marry you with ABC (someone) are you agree "
    what we call it
    Dua
    Mangnee
    and then
    nikah
     
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    MarTh- Well-Known Member

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    #137
    So how long will Facebook be blocked in Pakistan? It's one of the most formal moderated social networking sites out there what's offensive about it?
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #138
    The best translation I could find for this was "Marriage at Puberty". In most western nations, it is translated as "Pedophilia", though some translate it as "Child Molestation" or "Rape". Hope this helps.
     
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  19. Genuine Marketer

    Genuine Marketer Well-Known Member

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    #139
    Maybe the internet will be banned over time... you never know. I also hear youtube was blocked.
     
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    wajid_pk Peon

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    #140
    LOL because you have masters degree in Urdu
    what is Dua ???
    Prayer
    what is Mangnee ??
    a celebration about a man and woman are going to merry

    MAN what are you ???
    just do the Business of Aloo Gobhi and consult with bush who wanted in partnership with Osama
     
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