We are all Gazans now

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  2. mi25

    mi25 Active Member

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    No country or human being should dare to seek against the wonderful state of Israel. All of those who do are terrorists.
     
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  3. Ibn Juferi

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    [video=youtube;Wtu-WuWxVBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtu-WuWxVBE[/video]
     
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    In any of you really cared about the people of Gaza, you would help them throw out Hamas.

    But you don't really care about anyone, you're just caught up in blood lust.
     
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    #7
    don't get it
     
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    Whats not to get? The Islamists on this forum are all worked up because Israel is supposedly blocking aide to Gaza via their blockade. Now the aid is there, at the entrance to Gaza and Hamas iwont allow it to enter. Hamas is effectively starving the people of Gaza. Where is the outrage? I'd venture a guess Hamas kills a lot more Palestinians than Israel as well.
     
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    This should be no surprise to anyone, as the "floatilla" organizers are on record as stating "this is not about humanitarian aid."

    You can bet that Hamas would have accepted the shipment if it had been more Iranian rockets. :p
     
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    LOL ;)
    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177284

    The "humanitarian crisis" in Gaza is so severe, and the people are "starving" by the hundreds per day..... that Hamas just couldn't wait to help its own people and deliver them the goods....


    Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu addressed the Israeli nation yesterday on TV.
    His speech:
     
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    It was a great speech. The ancient Greek orators would have approved.

    [video=youtube;BUG12kU8-jE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUG12kU8-jE[/video]
     
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    Still, after reading that, and attempting to be a fair judge, I see precedents being set by Israel. The precedent is that Israel is policing international waters as if it if they had jurisdiction. If are allowed then it further extends a precedent that under reasonable suspicion they can search and seizure, just like local-city American police.

    Now because I am American I know a little bit about law, and I also know that we try to impose a simliar legal system of global affairs. An acceptable system in this situation would be not not allow Israle to intercept, search, and seize material, unless a state of war is declared. If no state of war is declared then Israel cannot act outside of it's jurisdiction, so who will act on Israel's behalf? It must be an entity with authority over international affairs and thereby international waters. Who can claim such a global stance? Well the UN is the closest thing. In order for the UN to perform such activity on the behalf of Global Good, sanctions must be placed against Hamas, in order to justify policing of their incoming cargo.

    What do you guys think?
     
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    Read Israeli Boarding of Blockade Busting Ship Was Legal.

    The U.N., unfortunately, is completely dominated by the OIC and has absolutely no interest in giving any sort of fair treatment to a Jew.
     
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    .....errrr....that you didn't get a single sentence right, although you claimed to have an idea on what u're talking about ;) sorry dude.

    Too lazy to correct all errors, but I will point out just one of your errors:
    State of war with whom?
    The terrorist ship is a privately held ship. It was not a military ship of an army - yet, Israel had very good reasons to believe that it is hostile to it, and according to Intl. law Israel has every right to inspect it after contacting the ship and asking it to allow inspection: as was the case. If the ship refuses to be inspected, Israel has every right to board or intercept and whatdya know: even sink it - also in international waters.
    If you want to learn more, read the Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality (in particular sections 5.2.1 & 5.2.10).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hHjkgo6gDY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL0zcDDRkJA

    These two events were outside of US territorial water, in international waters.
    There is no state of war with anybody.
    Yet US Coast Guard had every right to board the ships and inspect them.
    Nobody will ever call the U.S Coast Guard "pirates". Only Israel gets this double standard, but that's not new, as Netanyahu said in his speech.
     
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    Because Islamists will never agree that Jews have the right to defend their own lives or the lives of their children.
     
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    Ok I see. So recap and have mercy on me I'm slow... maritime law gives authority to any other ship, if they are militarily capable and interested, to request search, and if the vessle refuses, they can attack the ship?

    edit: the term belligerent warships confuses me.
     
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    Note of clarification: The Israeli's never attacked any ship. They executed six peaceful and legal boardings. On the last of the boardings, they were illegally attacked by Islamist thugs.
     
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    [video=youtube;lCCpdyGMTZ0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCCpdyGMTZ0[/video]
     
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