Was politics & religion section killed by design or just incompetence?

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by gworld, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. #1
    A long time ago, digital point had a very active politics & religion section which attracted a lot of users and was also quite active but then the moderators got involved with their infractions and killed that sections. It was a quite sad situation when some moderators could not separate between their role in moderating the forum and trying to censor different people. Before you could see 5 new post under 1 minute while now you are lucky to see 5 posts during the whole day. Since most forums strive after users and activity in their forum, I was wondering if there was a decision to kill that section or was this just the result of incompetence?
     
    gworld, Dec 12, 2011 IP
  2. Digital_shubhi

    Digital_shubhi Illustrious Member

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    #2
    Its just because no one wants to waste their time there...

    Its a webmaster forum and NOT something related to religions.
     
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  3. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #3
    Probably just the result of people realizing the section is mostly idiotic. Your question would be better aimed at the people who used to post there, but no longer do. Ask them why?
     
    digitalpoint, Dec 12, 2011 IP
  4. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    I asked and the general thinking is that people got tried of moderators getting too involved and censoring the discussions, that is the reason I am wondering if it was by design or incompetence.
     
    gworld, Dec 12, 2011 IP
  5. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #5
    Niether... if people don't follow our rules, they will get infractions. {shrug}

    That's like asking if spammers spam because they like the color green or if they spam because the sky is blue.

    The only thing about Politics and Religion that is by design is that it was put into it's own area so it doesn't clutter up other areas of the site.
     
    digitalpoint, Dec 12, 2011 IP
  6. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    I always thought that the function of moderators and infractions is to make a forum better and not to kill it. It seems some of your moderators are like the surgeon who claimed that the surgery was done perfectly and the only problem was that the patient died.
     
    gworld, Dec 12, 2011 IP
  7. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #7
    If the section dies because user's that frequent it can't abide by the forum rules, so be it...
     
    digitalpoint, Dec 12, 2011 IP
  8. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    Don´t you think there is something wrong with the rules or more likely the execution of the rules when it causes the users to leave? What is the point of forum that nobody posts in it? Even from the business point of view, is it a good business model to alienate the users and make them leave?
     
    gworld, Dec 12, 2011 IP
  9. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #9
    The original point of this forum was to give a support venue for users we already had that were using our tools and products (the company was around 10 years before the forum was).

    The Politics & Religion forum were spun out of General Chat many years ago because the P&R threads were just so idiotic, we didn't want to make people see/read them unless they specifically wanted to.

    That being said, our business model most certainly doesn't revolve around having a small P&R sub-forum that was put there as a dumping ground for lame threads that no one really wanted to see. If a user has no use for our site other than P&R, I'll be the first to suggest they would probably be happier on some other site that was geared more towards that topic.
     
    digitalpoint, Dec 13, 2011 IP
  10. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    The small P&R forum probably after absence and buy&sell sections has the highest number of posts which means users are interested. As I understand this forum makes money by advertising, so probably higher number of user and more frequent users should translate to higher advertising revenue. If an ice cream shop has different type of ice cream but the highest selling kind is strawberry and lemon, do you thing the shop owner should remove the lemon choice because he thinks lemon doesn´t taste good and people who like lemon taste are stupid? Humans are not one dimension creatures and I am sure not even the most dedicated professionals can think about google adsense or seo optimization 24/7.
     
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  11. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #11
    That part of the forum is not dead. It's simply devoid of the people who could not contribute anything of value.

    I know you think it's dead or dying since you were banned again, but the reality is, it's quiet, calm and filled with a lot less useless clutter.

    If you could behave you're certainly welcome to be a part of that discussion.
     
    Mia, Dec 13, 2011 IP
  12. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #12
    Your analogy doesn't really work because advertising revenue from the forum is nothing more than incidental for our business. A better one would be, "If we are sellings homes and a few people who tour our homes like strawberry ice cream, shouldn't we start selling strawberry ice cream?". The answer is "No, it's not really worth the effort in the grand scheme of things to try and make $0.25 profit when we are selling homes."

    That being said, I don't frequent P&R because it's of no interest, but I suspect wheat Mia mentioned is true.
     
    digitalpoint, Dec 13, 2011 IP
  13. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    Obviously you don´t mia, he has never said anything of value in his life, LOL.
     
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  14. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #14
    Let me guess, you want to be allowed the ability to make personal attacks like that on people within P&R without getting infractions? {rolls eyes}
     
    digitalpoint, Dec 13, 2011 IP
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    Why is it a personal attack? If I post Bush was a lousy president with below average IQ, is that also a personal attack or stating my opinion?
     
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  16. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #16
    If Bush was a participant on this site, it would be a personal attack on a fellow user.
     
    digitalpoint, Dec 13, 2011 IP
  17. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    So as a general rule you can not mention how stupid someone is no matter what kind of nonsense they post, got it. How about to show the stupidity of someone posts just by quoting their posts together without actually saying it? I once quoted someone posts from different time in just one post without adding anything so people can have laugh and it was removed and I got an infraction. Is this correct that showing someone stupidity without even saying it is also against the rules?
     
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    #18
    It's true that when I've been banned was because of posts in this section, also that's where you can easily get negative points from other people, so I've learned my lesson and only sometimes go there when I feel like it.
    But those two topics are clearly the ones not to be discussed in family reunions or at workplace, that's not just a coincidence.. :)

    It's good that DP has this section, but I can't say it is interesting, just fun. And yes it would be nice to be allowed to insult and make personal attacks, but it doesn't go well with Adsense rules, so I understand that it's not a free for all section of the forum, or it would need to be without adsense on it, and so better remove it altogether.. It's a dilema for the admin.. Well easily resolved since adsense money is better than a wasting web resources just for I don't know what exactly..
     
    JamesColin, Dec 13, 2011 IP
  19. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    I think you've kinda answered all your own questions.
     
    Mia, Dec 13, 2011 IP
  20. Wulkanen

    Wulkanen Well-Known Member

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    According to me the P&R section of DigitalPoint is the most useless part.
    It's filled with people making personal attacks and acting like childs when you disagree with them.
    If it dies off then so be it, there are hundreds of other forums that are more geared thowards those
    discussions, so maybe you should just switch forum?

    Everyone on DP should follow the rules, whether it's in the P&R section or in the SEO section.
    And complaining about infractions wont get you far.
     
    Wulkanen, Dec 13, 2011 IP