The thing I like the most about conspiracists is how every 15 year old teenager with a PC gets to be a Sherlock Holmes between jacking off porn scenes, whereas 7,000 FBI special agents who do have access to information that none of the conspiracists will ever have, are a bunch of stupid morons who can't really do their job and/or greedy, corrupt murderers (assistance to murder)
One thing about the internet. It does not somehow change reality. Those people who run the porn sites can be your next door neighbor. What happens offline simply leads to those things online and vice versa. When people mention the "real world" as somehow being something different from the "internets", they are sorely mistaken. I did not vote. Whether it was an inside job or not, it is not a surprise for me either way.
Face it, you're uninformed on this matter and have yet to take a serious look at what is happening. Continue on living in your fairy tell earth where everything is coincidence. You will probably say the upcoming riots, food shortages, environmental/carbon credit system, unification of Americas, the US dollars crashing... is all coincidence, even though it's been noted to happen decades ago in the long term agendas I have discussed. If you would like to read over some of them, please go ahead. UK DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE DOCUMENT Titled - DCDC Global Strategic Trends Programme 2007-2036 (DCDC) stands for Development, Concepts and Doctrine Centre http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/strat_trends_23jan07.pdf Agenda 21 (21st century) http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/Agenda21.pdf
I don't see how a single word you wrote relates to the post you quoted. I thought if one quotes something, this means that he is going to relate to it - until I met conspiracists, I guess. my Q's unanswered, again. Not so fun to discuss with somebody who speaks with himself and not with me.... but lets continue: A) its fairy tale (and english is my 3rd language) B) Now u're simply being an ass. I never said that 9/11 was "coincidence". It doesn't surprise me that you didn't get it by now.... but what I did say is: 9/11 was the result of dangerous, totalitarian, and fascist school of thought that originates from Saudi Arabia called: "Extreme Islam.", and the contractor is Al-Qaeda. LOL. The pdf document you linked to is for the time period: 2007-2036. I thought that WTC was in 2001, no? I suggest we stick with the past. you seem to have enough trouble in understanding it before we debate on how the future will look like..... ×”× ×‘×•××” × ×™×ª× ×” ×œ×©×•×˜×™× = "Prophecy was given to the fools", Hebrew proverb. Let me guess, you are a fan of the "Back to the future" trilogy too? Michael J. Fox was cool. eh_ ö) Lemma: What some British admiral thinks about the future can not even theoretically be related with answering the question: "who committed 9/11". Proof: Only evidence answers the question. And nothing but evidence. And all evidence against the perpertrators resides in the past. (damn logic...., you hate it, I know... sorry) Your obsession is to explain "what was the motivation of the people who did it". But I don't give a damn about that, yet. I'm still waiting for your case against William Clinton, since before you explain me why he did it, first you must explain to me what is the evidence that proves he did it. (damn logic... you hate it... I know... sorry) And lets conclude with another question that you not answer.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_United_States_embassy_bombings Within the 'inside job' framework, this Al-Qaeda bombing must have been an inside job as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing This certainly too. How come A) none of these two events have conspiracy theories related with them in the your favorite popular culture which you like to refer to as "research and knowledge"? B) how come nobody of the 9/11 conspiracists never mention these two? its either 9/11+kenya+nairobi+1993 bombing, or none of the above. Al-Qaeda , or not Al-Qaeda. simple logic no? (damn logic... you hate it... I know... sorry) Looking foward for your next post and the pleasure of seeing you avoiding answering the questions again. Next time I want a PDF from Papua new guinea about the forecast regarding the lettuce crops in the southern province in 2023.... that would certainly do the job....
You are as illogical as he is. Let's say there was a car accident in 1993 in 5th street and the driver name was Jack, he had another accident in 1998 in the 7th street. Are you saying that any car accident that happens in 5th street in 2001, is the result of Jack's driving?
Hehe. Of course not. Let me try and help you out. I am saying that: "if a car accident in 1993 in 5th street and the driver name was Jack, he had another accident in 1998 in the 7th street, and another one in 1999 in 9th street" (= If Al-Qaeda was indeed behind WTC 1993 and Kenya and Tanzania - as none of the conspiracists deny to even mention...) and then another car accident happened in 2001 again in 5th street, when the driver again is Jack (= same Al-Qaeda strike again, again in the WTC) but then, gworld comes to me and says: "hey man. you got fooled. It wasn't Jack at all in 2001. He has been set up. Framed. He was not driving and has nothing do to with it" (="inside job") I would have said to him two things: A) But Jack has a long history of road accidents. (criminal record is a factor in modern law) - That's point B of the previous post and the other, stronger, logical argument that does not fit into your car accident scheme (because an accident doesn't have a "goal" bombing a building do have and can't "fail"), B) The goal of bomb WTC 1993 attacks was to make the north tower collapse. It is just a matter of chance (or incompetence of Al-Qaeda, whatever) that it didn't. Surely, both were meant to kill as many people as possible. So, Lemma: According to the theory he presented to me, if 2001 is an "inside job", so must be 1993. Proof: if 1993 "succeeded" and resulted in many more deaths (as was certainly the plan) - he would have had to come up with the same conspiracy theory. This is since because all of the "proof" he gave me for his theory all along this thread would still hold just as much also for an imaginary 1993 success case and a 2001 failure. (same greedy people, same bankers, same dark future, same motivation, same federal reserve, ...etc') That's point A of the previous post (and u're right, now I realize that this was not a trivial logical consideration. My apologies. I sometimes forget that not all people are mathematicians which just I happen to be Based on previous experience, I'm pessimistic regarding your chances to get it, but you might surprise me......)
Vice versa means: "The reverse of the previous statement, with the main items transposed." And it even comes from Latin so it has been around for several centuries... http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/vice-versa.html Hence: means nothing but: This is a hard day for me today on DP.....
I honestly don't see what you seem to be trying to debate with me Chaos. I believe that American policies, global policies and long-term agendas has been a significant reason behind the hatred of America. These policies and ideologies are created, followed and lobbied to continue at all costs, even the cost of a 9/11 type event, war, or even our troops being involved in over 150 countries currently. Those who have been steering our country understand this and believe it is their born duty to rule over countries and people. To them, this is all natural because they believe in darwinism to the fullest, that they are the inferior type and have been put in that place to rule over those below. This creates a psychopathic nature among many of the elite which allows them to create the corrupt ideologies, policies and nation building plans that create unneeded negative attention towards our country. (BLOW BACK) Believing 9/11 was an "inside job" is a very vague statement. You and many others simply believe that by saying so, it means the person believes the government planned everything out, which is not the case at all. In my opinion, having people involved with our government who purposefully participate in these corrupt ideologies and who understand that these policies have created major blow back in the past and will continue in the future. I, believe that is very well an inside job. Those who have assisted in knowingly going forth with these policies and agendas over the years are very well assisting terrorists, this is the ammo these guys feed off of. Us being in bed with Israel is a main reason behind their hatred, not us being a free country. Australia is free, why aren't they being attacked? Because they aren't as involved with the agendas/policies, Israeli relations and nation building as our government and global political groups have set us up to be apart of.
now you say that the conspiracy theory you were talking about was the fruit and my imagination, and actually it were the Islamic terrorists because of US support of Israel? .........................................................................................................................................................................................................
You are again jumping to conclusions. 1) if we follow my example, the accident in 2001 can be caused by Jack or someone else. This is the main point of argument and you can not use previous act as some kind of proof. 2) If the accident in 2001 was caused by Tom, you can not draw a conclusion that therefore either accidents in 1993 and 1998 was caused by Tom or Jack is also responsible for 2001 accidents.
I have a few questions. When John Kerry lied to congress, while under oath, stating that he and his fellow US soldiers were illegally in Cambodia, and that rape and baby killing were normal activities for US troops, did those statements help create "blow back"? When a country we are at war with spreads anti US propaganda, does that create blow back? When someone says something bad about the US, is it always true? When the US govt. says something, is it always false? If things other than actual US intervention abroad create blowback, how much of the blowback is the result of actual actions by the US, and how much of it the result of successful disinformation campaigns by our detractors? In regard to the last question specifically, please cite the source of your information. Are you aware that Osama's own original issues with the US had nothing to do with Palestine, though it now serves as a convenient excuse? Would you care to compare and contrast the activities of Israel with those of Palestine? Why don't you delve into how each of those two territories treat their own people, or deal with human rights issues. I supposed you missed the Bali bombing. That shit doesnt happen in Australia because it is logistically difficult in an island state with a fairly homogenous and independant population. Why don't we look at france, or england, or spain, all of whom have been touched by terrorism by Muslims. What was their great crime? Friendship with America? We have only ourselves to blame. I see you come from the east coast. From the state of Mass by chance? I really wish people like you would live up to your threats, pack your crap, and move to Canada, or costa rica, or france, or anywhere for that matter. Your ideology is an evolutionary dead end, and I personally consider it cancerous to our great nation.
Your ideology is completely different than mine so with that being said, I don't expect you to understand where I'm coming from and I'm obviously not going to agree on the points you are making as well. As for the "great crime" that these countries are apart of, do you seriously not know this? They are all apart of the United Nations, all working together to spread their Marxist empire building worldviews. If you have followed mainstream media or found your knowledge in a school book, your views on this issue are completely understood. I believe that our soldiers being involved in unnecessary wars and empire building strategies create blow back. As for what Kerry said, I could careless about him or his love of being apart of secret societies. ref. Did it create blow back? To a certain extend anything to do with these idiotic policies that they are apart of creates blow back. If America had stuck to the principles it was founded upon, we wouldn't be in many of the positions we are in today. Instead, we have a government who disregards the constitution and abuses the powers they were meant to have. If a central banking system was never set up, as the founders clearly stated would be the ultimate failure of our country, the perpetual wars and corrupt economic structure would be non-existent. From your avatar I can imagine your response to this, you probably don't believe in free markets...believe that paper currency is an economic utopia and that wars are needed. I'm simply stating what my opinion is, you are free to state yours but don't attempt to persuade me into thinking you have superior knowledge. I, unlike many in this thread have looked beyond the internet for my sources and information. I'm not attracted towards conspiracies or the "oohs and ahhs" of the various new age philosophies in our current society. The majority, possibly even you, have fell in love with the technocrats and cling to every article, scientific document that these so-called experts through out there. When looking at the situations around the world, it's too easy to just agree and go on with your life. Feel free to take a step and research all parts of the system then you may possibly understand why these noble marxists believe in keeping normal folk away from the bigger picture. I find you debate skills amusing at best. You cling to your marxist nature as a crackhead clings to his rock. Although I respect your opinion, because I myself am an individualist. I understand people are going to have different opinions due to the different experiences they have gone through. This is the difference between me and you, you think you are 100% right and have 0% chance of being wrong. Instead of researching a path that you have spent no time down, you take the easy route and deny. If you remember during the Soviet era, the main bulk of society thought as if you did. Same with Nazi-Germany, you believe nothing could come about a certain policy or agenda.. you fall in love with the political games, red vs. blue paradigm and bash any other point of view. You should be ashamed to call yourself an American, you possess no qualities that this country was founded upon. You're probably one of those fools that believe the Constitution is an outdated piece of paper and should be abolished (which it already has been thank to our brain dead society watching American Idol and government with agendas that can't be reached without violating the constitution).
What qualities are you supporting, self loathing? If you lived when this country was founded, would you be on our side then? Probably not. My best guess is that you would be a loyalist wringing his hands and crying about how we deserve whatever we get from the British Empire.
What qualities you may ask? A true understanding and agreement of the principles this country was formed with, not the current principles and ideologies that our society is ran under currently. You and your Karl Rove lover seem to be pals who cling to denying instead of entertaining someones else ideas. Which not only do I find quite rude but immature as well. I also find it odd that you join a web developing forum and spend 99% of your time trying to lecture others on how your point of view is correct and nay-sayers are simply wrong. With that being said, it wouldn't surprise me if you were a collectivist, you two come off as such. Are you two paid to be this one-sided? That wouldn't surprise me either. But back to the topic at hand, if you have anything positive to add instead of insulting others that disagree with your all-mighty opinion, go ahead, I'll be waiting..
Entertaining post Greddy. There are indeed some things I cling to, "Like a crackhead clings to a rock", but Marxism isn't one of them. I noticed that you decided to attack me by calling me a Marxist instead of answering even a single one of the questions put to you. Perhaps you don't want to address the inconsistencies in the position on these issues you conveniently borrowed from Ron Paul, but its never too late to start thinking for yourself. Isolationism is the foreign policy you(vis-a-vis Ron Paul) advocate, and as you can tell by reading the link, it is a non-starter. America has neighbors and not only does international trade make the participating countries richer, it also makes the world safer place. What pisses me off is when you sell your god awful foreign policy ideas by playing up the idea that all of the problems in the world are of America's creation. The world, and this forum in particular, is chalk full of nut jobs who read your crap and say, "Look Yousef, everything they tell us at the Mosque is true". Without people like you selling the rest of us on what a bunch of assholes Americans are, I suspect there would be a lot less "blow back" in the world. If you are a Paul supporter, I'd figure you piss yourself off when you realize you sound like an liberal apologist. You didn't answer any of the questions posed to you, so it sounds like you aren't too open to the idea of being wrong. It sounds like you are the one ashamed to call himself an American. Well, it is true that I am not a slave owner... but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I'm glad you enjoyed it Karl Rove. Just admit that you are here to spread your one sided opinion. You have the appearance of a shill and I mean that with all sincerity. I'm well aware of Isolationism and yes, I support it but certainly not to an extreme position. If we are attacked, then the congress should decide if we should go to war and if so, it should be declared legally, as stated in the constitution. But I understand if you don't follow the constitution that well, as Karl Rove, Bush and Obama openly ignore the majority of it...such as when bush said, "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" during an oval office meeting in 2005. And yes, the destruction of all industrial production in our country did in fact make other countries richer while making our poorer. So you are correct there. Unfortunately I don't believe in sacrificing all means of production to better the life of other countries, which is what has been done here (NAFTA, GATT).. those weren't passed to make the world a safer place, they were put in place to bring in more profit and power for corporations, even you know that, but I welcome your denial here. As for your questions, I admit I'm not an expert on Palestinian relations and have not labeled myself as one. Here is another difference between us, instead of denying facts that you have prevented, I can accept knowing I have not studied an individual country such as Palestine years upon years. Now, when I present information to you and ChaosTrivia, you simply deny, even when you have no knowledge of my specific issue I'm explaining. and I'll ask again, are you a paid shill meant to come off as this one-sided? or is it natural? Please be the first....if not, consider these next great words and good luck mate. "I gave up trying to understand people long ago, now I just let them try to understand me!" -Snoopy
In your text GReddy, you depict a very gloomy picture in which the situation of the common US citizen is in a very very bad shape. Very very sad and disturbing. A lot of thing do not work as they should. right? So, another question I want to add to the long line of questions that you will never answer is: Q: In the most down-to-earth, practical sense, what are that are now necessary to fix this disturbing, improper, unjust situation? (lets forget for the moment if these steps can or not be implemented. Lets assume anything you want for america is implementable.) Well.. and please... Your answer must not contain long exhausting paragraphs with greek proverbs and a lot of self-adoration, but rather be short and focused - try to follow the following template: "To fix all these terribly awful things that happen in America right now which I mentioned in previous posts, the necessary steps are: A) ....... B) ....... C) ....... " If mean, if asking you to answer "how?" and "what?" with "by this and this and that" or "this and this and that" (that relate to America) and not with stories about Margerat Thatcher or PDF made by some veteran UK admiral or Greek proverbs is not too much to ask. Thanks.