You see? i'm not such a worthless person. I help you in your effort to unveil the scam and reveal the truth! So mate. FINALLY we have the first name of one of the REAL perpetrators of 9/11. This would be, Al-Jazeera reporter Tayseer_Allouni, Al-Jazeera station (photographers, voice professionals, editors), and the anonymous actor who looks just like ben laden? please confirm that we're on the right track. I call for an arrest warrant on Allouni and his colleagues. He should be tortured until he reveals who he was working for. You agree?
I'm not going down to your level, no matter how nasty you get. Be well. Or get well ... Back to the subject: You claim 9/11 happened as reported since apparently Bin Ladin confessed. I've shown you that it wasn't him on the tape. What else supports your belief that the media version was correct? How about taking a shot at why the BBC and Fox announced the fall of WTC7 before it actually happened? And I don't mean throwing out wiki links, but letting us know in your own intellectual words.
Now see my edited post. don't answer posts which are half done, take it easy What do you think, are you going to file a complaint against Tayseer Allouni and his Al-Jazeera crew in your local police station for co-operating with some Americans and many foreigners in conducting 9/11? Do that! you will be a national hero!
Well, you already managed to call me another name, so maybe if you kept the conversations civil, you'd have an extra minute allowing you to finish the post before I quote it.
You did not answer my question, suddenly all you care about is having a civilized debate Anyway, BREAKING NEWS!!!! THE SCAM IS BEING UNVEILED!! So Al-Jazeera reporter for many years, Tayseer Allouni who just "recorded" with his staff an "interview" with a FAKE Osama ben laden where he praise the so-called imaginary "terrorists" ---> was actually on trial by the Spanish government for alleged links with Al-Qaeda. A trial whose existence can not be doubted. This means, that this trial was just another fake, piece of the puzzle, meant to increase the liability of Allouni: After all, he was the only one who managed to get a personal interview with "Ben-Laden" (in reality, a fake Ben-Laden who 'doesn't even look like him'), so this fake trial in Spain was a piece of theater to increase the personal credibility of Allouni and trick us all. EXTRAORDINARY! So the next bunch of criminals of the 'inside job' is the country of Spain, its police, and its independent judicial system. BAH. The judge was bribed for sure by the real mastermind behind 9/11. But his days are numbered that motherfocka. Blogmaster and ChaosTrivia are coming to get him!
Yes. I am keeping one topic at a time. All of my previous posts relate to the first time you actually tried to answer one of my questions, and you said: And I pointed out several implications that NECESSARILY follow straight from your statement in the most straightforward manner: * Tayseer Allouni and his crew are part of the 'inside job'. * Al-Jazeera, the world's most popular Arab TV station and the most viewed anti-western channel in the world - is part of the 'inside job'. * A new finding in the investigation: A spanish judge, a Spanish DA, the spanish legal enforcement authorities, and perhaps some of the Spanish media - are also related with the 'inside job'. They conducted a fake trial for Allouni in order to rationalize his connections with Al-Qaeda and by thus explain why of all reporters of the world it was him who got an interview with Ben-Laden, perhaps the No. 1 most wanted interviewee of all times.... Sorry. Only two options for you now, so does the theory of logic dictate: Either 1) Your statement is true. --> and so are the straightforward implications. Tayseer Allouni and the Arab and Spanish criminals must be brought to justice, interrogated and frame those who hired them. or, 2) Your statement is false ---> The raw, unedited Osama Bin-Laden I posted confession is real. So. U're stuck buddy. Must decide. We have a big problem that we need to clear out before we proceed. Which one of the two you pick? Good luck, lets see how you get out of this...... [ I feel that a subject change (you already tried WTC7 - nice try dude, but I never spoke anything about it, since the beginning of my participation in this debate I focused SOLELY on the Al-Qaeda confessions) or a narrated, edited, youtube clip (your magic solution for everytime you are debunked) is coming up right my way.... ]
The WTC7 videos were posted on page 1 and have been ignored so far. So how about you explain them, so we can move on ...
Topic change did come my way, as anticipated in the end of my previous post... Sorry BM. As I said, your junk videos are closed after 10 seconds. I did not see them but rather bumped into the thread with my own "best case" - the confessions. So yes, my crime is that my first post was "not on topic", if you want. But since you did the mistake and dared to debate with me.... this is not the time to change your mind after 20 posts Instead, you have to try and tackle my "best case", one of the (many....) raw confession. You can't continue and say "no, this is something I won't discuss". (except for the deadly mistake you did when claiming that the famous Allouni confession interview was a fake, you amateur... ), because: Allow me teach you a very basic thing in the philosophy of modern science: If E=mc² holds for 1,000,000 experiments but was found to be wrong in explaining just a single, one, little, experiment, this means that the theory is wrong and needs to be replaced by a better one. I found that small little experiment that makes your theory totally collapse. This is all I need. Nothing more. Even if we assume that you can post 1,000,000 WTC7's-like cases which are explained by your theory (which is clearly not the case, but lets assume), your theory must still fall. Until you explain my little minor tiny case. You see? Just because of this small case. That's the wonder of a subject in mathematics called: "the theory of logic". If you want your theory to still hold, you MUST explain how an "inside job" can co-exist with the famous interview. And I remind you, that the coexistence involves the implications I mentioned in my previous post. The alternative theory, "Al-Qaeda" terrorists, co-exists wonderfully - in this framework, the interview is real. Osama ben laden admitted to what he actually did. Life is simple again. Or you can propose a third theory, but be creative this time and not so ridiculous....... maybe aliens or something... and then we check together how it coexists with all of the facts (which is the step that you skip or implement "fact selection"). Waiting for your explanation.
I will make it easier for you: [video=youtube;418YMZZHTzk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=418YMZZHTzk&feature=player_embedded[/video] [video=youtube;gQ7slm8REyQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ7slm8REyQ&feature=player_embedded[/video] Looking forward to the debunk.
Last time it was a subject change, this time the magic solution - youtube.. the two tactics as anticipated in my previous previous post. Too bad you do not read my posts. If you did, you would have known that I do not click the "Play" button of your youtubes. I do not debate with youtubes. I see what they did to you and watch out for my mental health. I prefer to hear what you have to say regarding what I just taught you on the meaning of the word "theory" + the famous Allouni interview which you, a world-renowned 9/11 expert and researcher, never heard of.... But its hopeless I guess. Your "inside job" theory has collapsed. It was simple actually - too simple - you do not even try to protect it... Great. I'm off.
They don't even require a debunk. WTC7's fall had been anticipated for some time. Now you are implying the fire chief was "in on it" and managed to screw it up. Of course you just ignore the obvious, which makes debating you a waste of time. I especially loved this quote of yours. Actually you haven't. I could compare two pieces of tape of Bill Letterman and make allegations that it isn't the same guy, but it wouldn't prove a thing. Your 100% willingness to believe in this crap without any hard evidence and in spite of hard evidence to the contrary makes you as scary as the people who think killing an infidel sends you to heaven.
I love the line from that video, "There is still no final report". I guess he never saw the NIST website link from 2005 labeled "WTC7 Final Report". Another great line from the video, "by 5:20 pm most of the fires had been extinguished". I guess he didn't get a chance to look at another(the same?) conspiracy theory website which poses the question as to why the WTC7 fires were allowed to rage burning out of control across several floors. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread366026/pg1 You'd figure the conspiracy theorists would at least not make claims which fly in the face of their own "evidence". Its like Elvis mania. If you look for Elvis, you will most certainly realize the king isn't dead.
Inside job or not, if the people have questions, they should be given answers. They shouldn't be pointed in the other direction or be labeled as domestic terrorists for simply trying to keep the system non-corrupt (whether 9/11 was corrupt or not, although it was to a certain degree no matter what you believe). Information was hidden, investigations were strictly told to be abandoned...meanwhile I would bet my life that 80%+ of Americans WOULD like a more throughout investigation and have questions answered. As for the inside job question, it all depends on how you take "inside job". The word has been associated with "3D airplanes hit the plane, not real ones" and the likes, which is typical propaganda put out there to marginalize those who question government and simply want answers. Did the main folk who have made our countries corrupt policies and praised building our world empire believe major blow-back was a considerate possibility? Yes. When you understand the mindset of the ones actually putting these long term agendas together, it's totally normal for them. Killing innocents or in this case, risking the lives of people due to the extreme amount of blow-back they create with corrupt and unconstitutional policies, is totally okay to them, just a minor hiccup in their plan used to take advantage of the peoples freedom (patriot act, massive amounts of cctvs, etc). Many of them are true Darwinist and feel they are MEANT to be at the top, that they are inferior to us "useless eaters", as Henry Kissenger once said... "“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac,†“The elderly are useless eaters†Dr. Henry Kissinger" These guys aren't in the game for the people, but for power, control, profit and a sense of accomplishment when it comes to globalization.
But Wiki says: "Within minutes of the attacks, the Federal Bureau of Investigation opened the largest FBI investigation in United States history, operation PENTTBOM". More specifically, in the FBI official website, I found this: Is that a lie? Could you elaborate specifically what questions are remained unanswered? I am FAR from being a 9/11 expert but I will do my best to search online and clarify it. and a tip: If you care for your life, I suggest you don't bet it on that 80%+ of Americans are just as st*pid as..... *hmmm* Besides: You want to accuse somebody but you actually have nothing substantial against anybody, so you speak about "these guys", "they", "them". Can you name one of "these guys" so that we could discuss the specifics as for his motivation, reward, ways of action, and what evidence you have as for his involvement? If not, philosophically, your post qualifies to be defined as "making accusations against no certain group or individual in particular". I can't think of something more idiotic than that. This idiocy is something all conspiracy theories have in common.
First, you're throwing me in with people who believe our government flew planes or created a 3D digitally mastered terrorists attack, which I am far from. As for what I am, I'm an individual who has studied a great amount of history. I've studied the long-term plans groups such as the CFR, Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), further back, the Club of Rome have set forth and watched as they unfold. Normal folk live their daily lives believe nearly everything is coincidence, they could never fathom the thought that someone is actually planning their culture, planning their wars beforehand, planning government/globalization actions such as the creation of the EU and soon to be unification of the Americas. We as humans adapt easier than any other species, which is our biggest flaw. The Soviets and Nazi-Germany lived in a similar fashion. They led themselves on a long path of corruptness until one day the conditions were horrid, horrid enough to actually see with the average entertainment filled mind. To you, none of this may be relevant, which is why you will more than likely quote a sentence, then google something and link me to a government website. As to your queries, what questions remain unanswered? First off, does it really matter if I tell you what questions are not answered? The point you should realize is that there are millions of people in America who would like to have their questions answered. They would like a deeper investigation. Instead, we get responses such as this: Now, if there was nothing to hide (whether you believe there is or not), why would they be so defensive and on the attack towards patriots who are simply demanding answers? Why would there even be a line that could be crossed when trying to balance the corruptness level in this country? I'm not aware of what country you live in, but here in America we were formed and meant to be a free society that keeps the government in check at all times, even if you are the minority. If you know anything about cultures and how adaptive they are, then you can easily see how you can be right on an issue and still the overwhelming minority (example: racism activists early on, Vietnam activists early on and for good measure the Revolutionary War, which I believe roughly 3-5% of people actually fought in the war to bring positive change to our country). There are many people to name, Henry Kissenger as I mentioned beforehand. Nearly all members of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, members of UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) and I can continue on and on if you would like. These people have tremendous influence on world politics, including policies that certain countries such as the United States abide by. They are intertwined through NGO's (Non-governmental organizations) and main objectives are met through parallel acting governments such as the CFG, Bilderberg Group, Royal Institute of International Affairs and similar groups. Margaret Thatcher explained at the Massey Hall around the early 90s in Ontario that basically WE the retired politicians, never leave government. With all of our years of experience we know all the other prime ministers and premiers of all countries and we therefore form another parallel government that's not responsible to the people, and therefore, because they're outside of party politics, we can plan things and make them happen and pull them off quickly. It's more efficient. This is exactly what the Royal Institute of International Affairs was set up to do some 100 odd years ago might I add. Many folk this high up realized that a 9/11 event was going to happen soon enough. What you need to understand is that they didn't need to do this themselves. They create the policies, takeover countries, attempt to change peoples way of living and you don't expect any backlash to come from it? Besides the point that people knew 9/11 was going to happen before hand (see video below, and no, I do not believe or follow all of Coopers ideas, but he was extremely correct on this issue), we armed many terrorists in the middle east and they were used against us at a later date, our government had talks with bin laden years before...and all of this is just a 'coincidence' to people like you. Hardly anything is a coincidence today, maybe 100-200 years ago but not today, but I understand if you can't follow where I'm coming from, I too, as Plato once said, was in the dark. Funny that many of the top guys quote plato and base their beliefs on how a people should be controlled off of his imagery (see platos cave video, via youtube) [video=youtube;Zy4EyBstOsA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA[/video] Keep this in mind: "Trust Those Who Seek Truth; Doubt Those Who Find It."
I asked 3 questions in my previous post: *) is the text in the FBI site a lie? *) Could you elaborate specifically what questions are remained unanswered? *) Can you name one of "these guys" so that we could discuss the specifics as for his motivation, reward, ways of action, and what evidence you have as for his involvement? all 3 questions are unanswered. But, COME ON. The 1st question is straightfoward. You said just that. Why people can't of your kind who say X and then when asked, "did you just say X?", never ever reply with: "Yes, I said X. and I mean X"........ why always speak so much and at the same time say nothing? (we'll come to that when I wait my time and respond to you previous post below.....) And now, to the fun part, debunking nothing which means nothing says nothing and proves nothing: Irrelevant, arrogant, and obsolete. Yes it does. It will be the first time when you talk business, cut to the chase, and not abstract bullshit such in the obsolete paragraph above. Excuse me for not taking "the point that I should realize" for being really a point that I should really realize, and just because it was you who said it. The following quote is edited, and unreferenced. Therefore it belongs in the trash and I didn't even read it. Could you point out a trial, imprisonment, legal or any kind of other measure which was implemented on "patriots" and only because "they were simply demanding answers"? What the hell are you talking about? are you on drugs? I do not follow you in this one. I hope that you know yourself what you mean by that but I doubt it. ok. where is the claim/arguement/reasoning? will you get there in this millemium? (and I live in Israel) Yes. I do know a little about cultures.... but just a little...not so much as you do obviously So, to rephrase another long, exhausting, obsolete paragraph by taking out all the self flattering and decorations and leaving only your message, your message is: "One can certainly be in an extremely small minority and still be right ==> I am in an extremely small minority ----> Therefore I am right?" ..... (and lets not forget that just one post previously you estimated that this "minority" is "80%+ of the American people) Well. *ehm*. Next. Oh! so many minority groups were right? so now I'm 100% that you are right too!!!!! and I forgive you for wasting my time. This blah blah is realling getting on my nerves. What is the point of this yet another obsolete paragraph and how is it related with 9/11 or with anything you say before or after it? how did we jump now to the UK? isn't the UK on the other side of the ocean and its democracy, institutions, and politics run in a TOTALLY different way than in the US? Lucky you didn't bring up Turkemenistan yet. but I do one quote at the time, so maybe you did in the next quote. lets see: You forgot to prefix it with: "you should realize". That would have made it much more true! and totally hide that you do not explain yourself or link to text that does explain exactly how many, who exactly, and why did they realize that. "What you need to understand" that's rude. I still prefer "What you need to realize" So fast and you forgot my previous post? My previous post protested the use of "they" "them" "these guys", which explaning EXACTLY who, and described that kind of argumentation as: "idiocy", which is a pretty suitable description. I will try again. WHO IS THEY? and don't answer with: "hmmmmm.... they!". You forgot to prefix it with "you should realize that". The ultimate proof for everything you say. I might not be so talented as you are, but as I told the owner of this thread BlogMaster several times: youtube's are not my kind of source for learning on history or politics - but rather a source of entertainment, and I don't even know who this cooper is, so I'll pass on the video - unless its a raw, unedited, uncut, unnarrated, unsubtitled video that displays raw information - but certainly this is not the case - simply because you posted it and as you and I know, raw information is not exactly what turns you on, but rather "conclusions first, then evidence - the part that fits". Israel also armed many terrorists before. Infact, Israel even established Hamas. This does not mean that if the Azrieli towers in Tel Aviv would be bombed one day, that would be an "inside job". The only thing that you HAVE proven me so far is that you are the king of logical fallacies. people like me? logical people you mean? who will not find John Smith guilty of rape if the only "evidence" against him is that somebody saw him having a beer in the pub the other night with an already convicted rapist? Indeed, logical people like me are very dangerous to conspiracists and should be jailed. now I really feel like in some dark Jerusalem room with a black orthodox preacher explaining me how nothing is coincidence, all is from god. For religious people, god is "him". You are a polytheist: your god is "they". Nice religion you have there. so smart....
Reference to quote: http://www.examiner.com/x-38220-Orl...ing-911-commission-told-to-not-cross-the-line Let me break it down for you. The constitution grants power to the people to question government. To hold government subject to scrutiny, to prevent it turning into chaos. Now, when people are questioning government, whether you think it's wrong or right, it's holding them accountable for their actions. Which balances the corruptness in our country. Without people questioning the corrupt acts going on inside our government, there would be an unbalance level of corruptness, do you copy? Do I really have to find links for you, can you not research yourself and find proof? Or do you deny everything until you are proved wrong. http://911blogger.com/node/23006 http://www.infowars.com/911-truth-activist-arrested-in-canadian-bush-protest/ http://zelikow.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/nypd-arrest-peaceful-we-are-change-reporters/ http://911reports.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/courthouse-news-service/ http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread285850/pg1 Yes, you're correct, you certainly could be right. You could also be wrong. I could also be wrong, I'm stating what I have learned and it's up to you to research it or deny right away, based off what level of knowledge you know (which obviously isn't significant on this topic because you just stated several times that my paragraphs were irrelevant, which simply proves my point. I gave you everything you need to know, now go research yourself. How can you say something is irrelevant when you haven't even heard nor studied it? The 80% estimation was a different matter. Imo, if you asked 1,000 people if they would like to learn more about what happened during 9/11...such as more specific details, they WOULD and you can't deny that. Here in America many believe Saddam Hussein was apart of 9/11 thanks to our corrupt media system. This proves my point that people don't actually know what is going on. More proof that people do have questions, although it's simply a poll, it can be used to show you that people do have questions. Again, these questions asked are much more than simply wanting more details. Wanting more details could mean anything, how did everything unfold exactly, what happened to the black boxes, why was there explosive material found all over the WTC site...see video below. All of these are questions that have not been answered completely and yes, people have been arrested and labeled domestic terrorists for asking and requesting more information, even peacefully protesting. [video=youtube;8_tf25lx_3o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o[/video] See, here is where you are literally lost. You believe this has nothing to do with 9/11 or the policies that led to 9/11. A philosopher once said getting truth through to an "educated" man is similar to trying to teach your dog table manners, it won't happen. Until you step out of your box and research more material, instead of just denying because you have no clue what I'm referring to, until that point you will be lost or in my honest opinion, brainwashed. I mean no harm with that, it's just what I feel from what you've told me so far. I find it amusing you throw these organizations out the window because you have never heard of them, thus making it irrelevant in your opinion. That clearly shows that you are not hear to learn, to research but to skim read, deny and only think inside of your box. Maybe one day you will learn what it takes to change how you approach information but until that point, good luck mate. Not totally different at all. But again, you have already stated you don't know what those organizations I was referring to that are located in the UK do or are apart of. Which means you wouldn't realize that literally all of our ex-presidents and a good amount of ex congressman/senators are in these groups, which have significant influence globally, because they are a global institution.... I've already answered your question and you do not know who I am talking about. They have the most influence in global affairs and you have no clue about them. It's not a ONE MAN TEAM, I don't understand where you're getting lost. It's a group, formed of many people. Here is a few I will list for you........ David Rockefeller, Chairman Emeritus (Family owns the largest central banking system in the world, helped kick off the Federal Reserve (US central bank) Peter G. Peterson, Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations Paul Volker, North American Chairman of the Trilateral Commission President of the United States of America William Clinton -- CFR, TC, BB Vice President of the United States of America Albert Gore, Jr. -- CFR John D. Rockefeller, IV (D-WV) -- CFR, TC and this list continues on and on.... http://www.apfn.org/apfn/cfr-members.htm Council on Foreign Relations, Royal Institute of International Affairs, look them up if you wish, or even have the willpower to learn a thing or two that you weren't indoctrinated with during schooling. Again, continue with your verbal assaults...It's a popular way of self defense when you have no clue how to respond. You obviously haven't done your homework and seriously act like an 8 year old. You're stating something is a logical fallacy because you have never heard of it. I'm not in this thread to assault you, obviously you came here for that reason alone, that and deny. You asked my opinion and I gave it. I provided my knowledge and you proved to me that you have no understanding of it. You've never even heard of the most powerful financial/political groups that govern the entire globe and you're trying to tell me that I'm being irrelevant. Wish you well mate, you're honestly just a waste of my time right now. But seriously, become mature for just a second (you can even do it offline so you can keep your hard ass image online) and think things over. Admit that you may not have done all the research needed to form an opinion such as I have. Do the research, then you can have the honors of making a legitimate opinion instead of a rant about how you're clueless as to what I'm saying. I've admitted I haven't done enough research or searching and came to the conclusion several times I was wrong on issues, but these are concrete issues, not conspiracies. And no, I don't believe our government flew planes or designed 3D objects in the sky to take down the towers. In case you skimmed over this part, I believe our policies, made through our government and the several organizations I gave you were the ones who cause this type of blow back. And if you believe these organizations have nothing to do with America, look up there member lists, for each group. Why would nearly all us presidents become members after their exit and the group not anything to do with USA. Adios
So, since you didn't answer, I take that your answer for: "does the FBI website lie occasionally?" is: "Yes, intentionally!". And god bless the true American Patriots Now. Nice. We are making progress. I ignore all these funny things you said there and try to move forward. You named "they" for the first time. Congratulations, I'm sure that wasn't an easy thing. So now we're talking about people, not an abstract god. Two questions: 1) Could you provide evidence to support your claim that William Clinton either A) knew that 9/11 was going to happen on 9/11/2001 ? or B) had anything to do with the planning of the event? 2) why didn't you file a complaint against him so far in the police with the abundance of evidence that you will surely soon provide to me?