The OP is asking if you believe the US government carried out the conspiracy. That is impossible, WTC 1 and 2 were brought by terrorists flying planes into them, WTC 7 collapsed as a result of damage from the first 2 towers falling. The pentagon was hit by a plane and United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in a field in Pennsylvania. I'm sure the terrorists were motivated by American foreign policy and thier hatred for America, I don't claim to know thier reasoning nor do I know much about American foreign policy but this thread was never about that. So now you answer a simple question; do you believe the attacks of 9/11 were carried out by the American government or by terrorists?
Maybe some day some guys like Daniel Ellsberg come up with the top secret documents telling us what really happened on 9-11. A quote from his Academy award nominee documentary The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers. "It wasn't that we were on the wrong side, we were the wrong side." Some of those terrorist were alive after the attacks. That raises some serious questions about American government which issued the list of the terrorists.
During the initial confusion surrounding the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the BBC published the names and identities of what they believed to be some of the hijackers.[100] Some of the people named were later discovered to be alive, a fact that was seized upon by 9/11 conspiracy theorists as proof that the hijackings were faked.[100][101] The BBC explained that the initial confusion may have arisen because the names they reported back in 2001 were common Arabic and Islamic names.[100] In response to a request from the BBC, the FBI stated:[100] The FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Also, the 9/11 investigation was thoroughly reviewed by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and the House and Senate Joint Inquiry. Neither of these reviews ever raised the issue of doubt about the identity of the nineteen hijackers. According to John Bradley, the former managing editor of Arab News in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, the only public information about the hijackers was a list of names issued by the FBI on September 14, 2001. When the FBI released photographs four days after the cited reports on September 27, the mistaken identities were quickly resolved. According to Bradley, "all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names." In Saudi Arabia, says Bradley, the names of two of the allegedly surviving attackers, Said al-Ghamdi and Walid al-Shari, are "as common as John Smith in the United States or Great Britain." You pointing out the hijackers being alive is a perfect example of how conspiracy nuts bend the truth and take things out of contexts to fit thier needs, they don't care about the truth. All I wanted was a simple yes or no: do you believe the attacks of 9/11 were carried out by the American government or by terrorists?
Yes, It was carried out by American government. Wanna know why I'm so confident. Here is an example of their planning "Operation Northwood". Vietnam war also initiated by US after spreading false rumors of attack on US navy ships. See this documentary "The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers". Journalist James Bamford summarized Operation Northwoods in his April 24, 2001 book Body of Secrets: "Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war." Sound familiar? Book was published five months before 9-11. Remove the Castro from the above quote and put Al-Qaida in it and you have Operation Enduring Freedom. They planned it once, attack a nation with a similar plan. Is it really hard to believe that they can't do it again? They have a history of planning and a proven track record for executing those plans.
How about we just discuss one discrepancy at a time. How about we begin with the broadcast from Fox and the BBC and ask ourselves if indeed there was an explosion that brought down WTC7 in almost free fall speed, then how come both of those channels could predict that it would happen?
Read the following, why would our government be so anxious to close any questions or investigation into the matter? We are simply wanting our questions answered and instead are told to shut up and not worry about it. Not sure about the countries of other readers of this thread, but this is the type of actions that turns a free country into a servile, totalitarian state such as the EU. From an Orlando Examiner write up: "According to a document obtained by the ACLU under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) on Tuesday March 16, the 9/11 commission was warned on Jan. 6th, 2004 by high-level administration officials to "not cross the line" in the investigation of the events that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001. The high-level administration officials included Attorney General John Ashcroft, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and CIA Director George J. Tenet. The ACLU described it as a fax sent by David Addington, then-counsel to former vice president Dick Cheney." From text of the letter itself: "There is, however, a line that the Commission should not cross. the line separating the Commission's proper inquiry into' the September 11, 200J attacks from interference with the Government's ability to safeguard the national security, including protection of Americans from future terrorist attacks. The Commission staffs proposed participation in questioning of detainees would cross that line. As the officers of the United States responsible for the law enforcement,...we urge your Commission not to further pursue the proposed request to participate in the questioning of detainees."
From the information you quoted it indicates that the commission could investigate, but they wouldn't let them go so far as to "interfere with the Government's ability to safeguard the national security, including the protection of Americans from future terrorist attacks." Was that an unreasonable limitation? GReddy4u, I'm curious as well, it's just a simple Yes or No.
In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground. Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns. Deceptive videos stop the timer of the fall at 10:09 when only the perimeter column hits the ground and not the building itself. If you notice, the building just finishes disappearing behind the debris cloud which is still about 40 stories high. http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm Why look for small discrepencies when the overall picture initself is impossible. You conspiracy theorists love asking questions which get answered over and over again, but you really hate answering them, but humor me. If WTC 1 and 2 where brought down by demolition what was used to bring them down and on what floors was this placed?
Sorry, you were talking about WTC 7 so here you go: In a video, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall, something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics? In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail. To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video. Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the building façade to the lighter color of the sky. The approach taken by NIST is summarized in Section 3.6 of the final summary report, NCSTAR 1A (released Nov. 20, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1A.pdf) and detailed in Section 12.5.3 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (available at http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1-9 Vol 2.pdf). The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse: Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall). Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall) Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html It's not hard to debunk bullshit and lies. But answer me how you keep the thousand of people needed to pull this off silent, better yet, how do you get them all to go along?
Sure, when you look only at the big picture, then I can see that. And God knows there must be 100s of 1,000s of fanatics who would do this. But when I see detail after detail not adding up, then saying "It just can't be" is not logical. It can't be based of what we have seen in our lifetime. All of the people involved are members of the same secret societies. Media people, politicians, air traffic controllers, you name it. Not all, but the right people, the ones in charge. Others overlook discrepancies, they know something's not right, but they go along. Money is thrown around, fear plays a role and such. The 4 flights didn't happen. There was one and it landed in Cleveland bringing the passengers of all 4 planes into the NASA building. Many had huge problems, financially, legally etc. Once in a secret society, you cannot just walk away. They had a choice. Live a much better life or deal with ruthless retribution. http://letsrollforums.com/dumb-question-passengers-9-t20542.html?t=20542 Some went right back to remarrying their husband under a different name: http://letsrollforums.com/flight-77-passenger-barbara-t20525.html The list goes on. The dots connect. And with the official story they don't. And what matters now is what they're planning to do next. Which is why it's important that people wake up and get ready for it. The signs are everywhere: http://www.socialspiritualnetwork.com/video/recognize-the-signs In many of the important business sectors you can simply not move up unless you're in one of those societies. It's like the top of the pyramid on the dollar bill elevated from the bottom. 9/11 has been in the planning for 30 years (see video with Bob Kerrey on the first page). So yes, the web organizing this was far ahead of us and all of us were taken by surprise to say the least. Took me a long time to finally want to know after no longer being able to ignore the obvious. But as a bonus: Once you understand how the shadow government works, a lot more things start making sense.
Just give it time and it will all come out, Roman. Most likely in the form of a new disaster. Just like with the JFK assassination, people didn't believe the official story, but they accepted it. If you accept this, then whatever comes next will take you by surprise as well. I suggest watching "They Live" http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...&ei=qjmjS4eSLIL-wQOk0ZCbDg&q=they+live&hl=en#
Eh, I suggest he watch "From Freedom to Fascism" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsI4c3NzoW0 All parts included. Then get back to me.
Most people here don't want to take that step, but they might. I figured I post a movie that's entertaining and later on get into why I posted it.
I think this one is better... [video=youtube;9U4Ha9HQvMo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U4Ha9HQvMo[/video]
Happy to see you find the topic funny. As for me, seeing 3,000 people being murdered and hunting the wrong killer is no laughing matter. But to each their own I guess.
It has nothing to do with Islam per se. It has to do with domestic issues and taking away Americans' rights while heading for a new one world order. It's not that the people were used to get to Islam, but rather Islam was used to get to the people. Islam played a beautiful role in providing 50 years of footage designed to drive fear into Americans. Daily news. Complete conditioning. I myself went to Indonesia and couldn't even smile back at a kid who was wearing an Islamic outfit. I was looking for the backpack with the explosives in it. And many in the U.S. do feel the same. That's what you see on TV. Anyways: Yes, the oil, the pipeline, the poppy and opium fields. All of that is an added bonus. But instead of complaining and finger pointing, Islamic violence is no laughing matter. Muslims fell for the trick and kept attacking. Evil begets evil. I'm not against Muslims, but the religion to me is a whole other matter. Can you blame people for reading the Quaran and then not draw conclusions when they see scripture full of animosity against Jews? This is a lot bigger than Islam vs. the West. This is about turning the U.S. into police state after draining the financial system and possibly controlling the masses electronically. And then there will be a one world religion, but I'm not even getting into this too much yet. Let's just say that it can be done. And btw. it's time for every religious group or nation to clean up and look at their own mess. Osama Bin Ladin was CIA and in on it. Yassir Arafat who helped provide 40 years of bomb footage, also a free mason. Why is it that in America 50 percent of international news is about Israel and 9 out of 10 cannot name the French prime minister? Because the Council on Foreign Relations decides what people watch. You spend a lot of time defending Islam, but this is minuscule compared to what is being planned. Islam will likely be a perfect scapegoat again.
What I find funny is the sudden change in tactics. It's like you've given up any hope of proving your position, and now referring us to movies. LOL. I did read the script though...I thought you understood. It's business, that's all it is. You still don't get it. There ain't no countries anymore. They're running the whole show. They own the whole planet. They can do whatever they want. We can have it good for a change. If we help them, they'll leave us alone to make some money. Blogmaster, who is they? What about questions Roman has asked... @Blogmaster -- But answer me how you keep the thousand of people needed to pull this off silent, better yet, how do you get them all to go along? Are you seriously suggesting that you believe all the passengers would just go along with this and stay silent? Really? Really?? Do you believe the dead bodies of passengers they found at the crash sites are a hoax as well? The medical team that did DNA testing, they're all part of it as well? @GReddy4u -- simple yes or no: do you believe the attacks of 9/11 were carried out by the American government or by terrorists? Blogmaster I don't want to argue with you. I see you around the forum, and I really enjoy your posts. It's just on this one particular subject, WOW.
so you are saying US govt. never planned on of attacking their own citizens to find a reason to go war with Cuba, they didn't spread rumors of US fleet under attack to start Vietnam war? If they can do those then they can surely do the 9-11. If it wasn't for one guy world wouldn't have known the facts about the Vietnam war.
Couldn't agree more Rebecca. How can someone come completely unglued on a particular subject. He obviously is not going to answer any of your questions, nor acknowledge the obvious errors in the "evidence" he presents, so arguing with him becomes a waste of time. I thought Roman's post spelling out the NIST data in scientific detail would have been sufficient, but you notice it was met with silence. Thinking about it, there is a bright side to what Blogmaster and the other terrorist supporters here demonstrate. I suspect there is no business idea that can fail with proper marketing. I think I may start marketing the edible turd. Its ecofriendly, promotes recycling, helps cut carbon emissions, while at the same time providing a great source of nutrition. Dogs have been eating their own crap for centuries, and look how much they are loved. Not only will my "edible turd" business idea not fail, but with proper marketing, I could get fairly good sized following and make a couple million(obviously only a niche market product). The heavens gate group convinced people they were going to get on board the Hale-Bopp comet. The Snuggie is selling like gang busters. I find it reassuring that, no matter how crap ass your product idea may be, there will ALWAYS be some buyers out there for it!