War on Terror: Israel's the way to go with Pak?

Just like Pak has a soveriegn right to protect itself, so does India,,,, if Pak keeps sending terrorists like these, India will respond,... but not necessorily likewise!

Yes India is a major player in the subcontinent, and its its duty to control and maintain peace in the subcontinent,
just like UAE in the Middle-East, Britain in europe, Russia in the north, and ..... US,... well the world!

If by your theory India did want to capture whole of subcontinent,... then why did we capture East Pakistan, and then give it back to the people,... which is now Bangladesh!

Nepal bhutan,.....again conspiracy theories are not things that interests me!

We have peace agreements, and other pacts with these countries, which is why you dont need a visa to travel to and from these countries!!!

Their citizens are as good as Indian citizens and (afaik) Nepali Citizens can very well join the Indian Army!!!.... so thats the level of relationship we enjoy there!!! .... so you can take that brainwashed notion out fo your head!!!

All Educated people want good relations with everyone! ... may it be Benazir Bhutto, her father,... or PM Hasina!!!

now you want to say Bhutto (both) were working for India!!! ...lol!!!

cant reason with the unreasonable!!!

1. how and on what basis do you say Kashmir is yours??? (if you say you have no interest in a well known author and a well known book, which states things as they happened!)

2. Kashmir gave a written letter of accession to India b4 our troops moved in to defend our own territory,.... not to capture Kashmir !!!

3. Did Musharaff ask Pakistan b4 he did Kargil? .... does by your logic we can assume the whole Pakistan supports Kargil intrusion???

4. Did the terrorists who attacked the Parliament, and now Mumbai "ask" the whole of Pakistan, ..... does (by your logic) can we assume the whole of Pakistan supports what they did to Mumbai???

or just becoz they attacked it is for us to assume that perhaps ISI or perhaps some off-shoot there of, asked everyones permission to carry out such a dastardly act,

leaders do what they want to do, and people have to abide,... sometimes people like those decisions, sometimes not! if Maharaja Hari Singh was so unpopular, he would not have remained a King, people would have overthrown him long since,..... or perhaps shoed away by the british like the Nawab of Janugadh!!!

Lastly India is a muture nation, even in the hour when the whole country was crying in anger, the government didnt let anger get the best of them,.... we dont give knee jerk reactions.

The first option is always of diplomatic nature, till that is working, "all other options remain open",... which is precisely our leadership says! a decsion we like and look forward to!

M,

 

Even if terrorists are Pakistanis does that mean, that the govt. of India starts using its right of defence against the govt. and the nation of Pakistan?At least thats what India has been threatening to do?

What do you mean by "Pak sends terrorists..", if India thinks that ISI is involved, then it is for sure that the Pak govt. is also involved......and if they have proof of this, then they have the right to start a war!But seems you guys are using it only as a pressure tactic!

As far as handing East Pakistan back to Bangladeshis is concerned, India would have failed to hold on to it, if it captured Bangladesh. Bangladeshis would have turned against India, who were "allies" with them then. And another Kashmir would have emerged, Sixty years have passed and Kashmir still isn't under your control completely, so that would have been a blunder!

well, you might correct yourself, coz it is the words of Bhutto senior that,"i would fight against India for 1000 years over Kashmir"Yes he made Shimla pact, but not very happily.

Everybody sees history the way they like it. You have found out a writer, who has written history which is coroborative with what you like. There may be many neutral writers who would have written otherwise, but you dont even know their names, and i don't have the time to make research in this now!

In this part I don't know whether you are arguing against my point or in favor of it! If Musharaf attacked without the copnsent of Pakistani people, terrorists carry out attacks against the will of their other fellow citizens..........................then if we continue the same sequence...the Hindu Maharaja invited Indian Army without the will of the Kashmiris, right? I think you,ve accepted that! Then Pakistan has all the right to claim Kashmir and if that sounds unreasonable, then i think the Kashmiris should be allowed to vote in favor of india or pak! A dummy election is simply ain't the solution.
But India who claims to be the champion of democracy, will not give Kashmiris the right to choose....coz it does not suit it!

 

And who sent those terrorists??? ... which state has been sponsering those terrorists?? ... who finances them, you think charity organisations like JuD can fund this scale of an operation? Where does the kind of money come from,... the kind of training required to carry out such n attack,... who trained them,.... or are you so blinded by patriotism, that you fail to acknowldge the wrong doings by your state?

surely you of all people who is reading the gaza conflict should see the Palestenian fight??.... people throwing stones,... Hamas with rockets & IEDs, ......but what happened in Mumbai was a full fledged Military style operation,.... connect the dots mate!

it is a well known fact within and outside India, that ISI handles all these organisations, and uses them for their dirty jobs, ... yes for mumbai we have no direct proof that ISI was involved, but to say they are completely innocent would be idiocy of the same level!

And a new conspiracy theory born,.... you just love them dont you.... they were our allies, and they stand to be our allies (less some sections)

Another Kashmir,.... Kashmir became a part of India, before we went into to defend "our" territory.

Bangladesh was simply a neglected peace of terretory where there was a independence movement going on, and they asked for Indias help.!!!

there is a diffrence!

perhaps i concede,.... but Benazir was pro India and wanted peace with India,.... the reason why shes no more!!.. Pro Indians cant survive in Pakistan!

Not at all, the reason i didnt quote from any Indian Author, this is an English author and very neutral in writing,.... yes 3/4 of the population was Muslim, and did want to go to Pakistan, but the Maharaja chose otherwise, and Kashmir became India! .... thats histroy you or me cant change it! Kashmir is an integral part of India, and will remain so!

its not about who wants what, its about who owns what!

So in effect are you suggesting that Pakistani people hail Mushraff for starting a Kargil war, and support what he did? (Even if you lost just another war)

and by same means you support and call martyrs of the 9 men that died in Mumbai, and support what they did???

I would need categoric replies on these!

there is a reason Nehru chose a "Federal Union" type of governance for India, and not the USSR style,.... so it is not for the choice of the people as they wish to stay with the country or not,... the decision rests rightly with the center!

again concpiracy theory,.... who ever told you we have dummy elections there,.... do you have a source, or just shooting off the hip!?

there were elections held recently, there was a good voter turn out, and even the seperatist stood for elections,... and won some seats,... no one stopped them, no one muzzled them

And what about the PoK,... atleast on this side we have good tourism, and regular elections,.... what do u have there,... terorist camps, and just another economically neglected state,... like the state of East Pakistan! ... isint Baluchistan going down the same road of East Pakistan? why was Akbar Bugti assasinated?

so after Baluchistan and perhaps Sindh, the Kashmiri people will finally realise it aint just worth going there???

M.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but I think you really get angry after reading my posts, right? you have misunderstood about 90% of what i was trying to say, although i avoid making mistakes while typing!
But thankfully you understood 10% of it and i escaped from the stark realities that are told in "Freedom in sunlight"

Well, as far as your "well known fact" is concerned, same goes for the hand of RAW in Balochistan, and FATA in Pakistan. While you openly admit that India indeed' "help Bangladesh stand on their feet", so Hindustan govt. has not been an angel!

And as far as my "conspiracy theory" ( 2nd Kashmir) is concerned, all i was trying to say is that banglas would have turnied against India, there is no objection on that? and so there would have remained unrest just like Kashmir, for the coming years. But why capture the territory, if the poiltics can be controlled from abroad?

HOHO, what a great helping hand India gave to neglected region? How about Pakistan extending their hand to NAGALAND,ASSAM,KHALISTAN,HYDERABAD and not to mention Kashmir to help become stable...................countries! Don't like huh? If yes, then you keep DOUBLE STANDARDS!

And i don't know what made you think that i supported Mumbai attacks or terrorists? You better cool off, before reading my views!

You mentioned three events in the same frequency, as if what was applicable on one was in all three!

1.Musharaf attacked Pakistan without consent of pakistani people.
2.Terrorists attack without will of the community from which they belong.
3.Maharaja Khari Singh gave Kashmir to India without the consent of Kashmiris.
All i concluded from this is, that the three actions were WRONG that u accept that Kasmiris were gonna vote for us!

O yeah, Jammu Kashmir is a tourist heaven and an integral part of India, every tourist should go there but get his life insurance policy, even the Indian PM goes there in a tank, and returns after addressing a paid mob!
Our Kashmir may not be like Singapore, but the conditions there are same as the rest of Pakistan, and there isnt no CURFEW THERE!

On the elections held in Kashmir, i just don't have the energy and time to argue on this, coz your papa may have prohibited you from listening to news and views whcich are against Bharat!

We neglected East Pak, and now also Balochistan.....but if India is 'peace loving' and 'sincere' friend of Pak, then they should remain neutral, if not help us solve this problems. You know about the neglect of Pakistani regions, but can't see what is going on in Kashmir, or with majority of Muslims in HINDUSTAN!There more than hundred separatist movements in India,but of course all are funded by ISI, so no problem!