Ok, the ffa submitter, just simply needs to be desktop based,and it fills out the form for me and submits for me - I add the url list for it to submit to itself - does not need to have a good design at all directory submitter - I would like a clone off allsubmitter - except the flaw with all submitter is that new directories i add to the list, I have semi automatically go through them first,be for I can do them automated - I would like not to have to do this and be able to auto submit them whatever http://www.webloganalyzer.biz/eng/allsubmitter.html thanks, you quote a price, I would expect the ffa submitter would be cheap,as its basically just a form filler and submitter