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Voter ID laws: Its entirely about voter suppression and a political trick by the GOP

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by earlpearl, Dec 2, 2012.

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    With acknowledgement from people (higher ups/decision makers) involved in the process it comes out that the voter ID laws, the restrictions on early voting and every other "trick" used to limit voting was about one thing and one thing only: suppressing voters and specifically suppressing voters who would probably vote democratic.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/n...s/early-voting-curbs-called-power-play/nTFDy/

    It was and is nothing less than a banana republic trick used by the GOP to try and gain power. At the same time its been used to limit a sacred right of any democracy in attempting to expand its own democracy.

    Unfortunately the current state of the GOP and its right wing ideologues is little more than a party bought and paid for by the extraordinarily wealthy to try and push forward its agenda which has little to do with philosophy but lots to do with promoting the wishes of extreme special interests.
     
    earlpearl, Dec 2, 2012 IP
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    robjones Notable Member

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    Bullshit. There is no reason anyone should have an expectation of being able to vote without affirmatively identifying themself as the person for whom they are voting. Voter ID is a valid way to stop the dead, convicted felons, and non-citizens from voting. Even the Europeans that came over with the UN were shocked to find out we did NOT in many cases require a valid ID. We need to reform our system so that EVERY voting precinct requires voters to show evidence they are who they say they are.
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    I see your bullshit and raise you a bullshit.

    If the GOP that has been fostering these state laws aimed at constiuencies that they feel are likely to vote Democratic were really interested in getting people to have US ID's they'd take every one of those poor folks and get them an ID card.

    ID cards. They are SO cheap. so inexpensive. You not only deal with this "claim" by the GOP you do something to foster democracy.

    Now that would be great, folks would have their nice little ID's and they could easily vote. That would meet every claim of the GOP legislatures.

    But none of them are doing that. The GOP legislatures don't want certain groups to vote.
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    That is the claim, that it disenfranchises individuals that are so poor they can't even afford to have an ID. Yet, you need an ID to get a job. You need an ID to drive. If one of these "poor folks" applied for public assistance, the government would require a photo ID, SSN, proof of residency. Is that discrimination as well? :)
     
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  5. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    The voter ID claim and claims of widespread voter fraud are outrageous examples of banana republic politics. It is little more than updating the voting suppression efforts of the South for 100 years following the Civil War. The Bush administration when in power had roughly five years when they were in power to focus on and find voter fraud.

    They didn't. They had the money, the power, the resources and devoted attorneys to it. They didn't find it. Instead they had a scandal representing the politicization of the rule of law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy

    If you want voter ID's check people. When they don't have them and they are citizens give them the ID's. I'm sure the ID's cost all of about $0.02 to create.

    That way you get ID's and you enable people to vote. Everyone in the US should want people to vote. Its the essence of Democracy.

    If you wish to disenfranchise voters than you are no better than every tyranny that reigns in the world. Its the opposite of America.

    The article I sourced has direct comments from people involved in what they described as voter suppression. It doesn't matter how you spin it. Its about voter suppression. Those folks aren't theorists. They were involved in the process.

    Its not just patently obvious there have been attempts to suppress certain voting groups, its the words of the participants.

    These things personify the problem with today's GOP. Its an expression of narrow interests like big oil and energy. Its a twisted perspective of what it used to be without a fundamental philosophy. The essence of Obamacare is the result of Conservative theorists and politicians from the 1990's wherein the thought process was to expand health care while involving the private markets. Current right wing extremism treats it like the devil incarnate. The structure of Obamacare comes directly from former Conservative thinkers working to inject the private market into an issue of national welfare and benefit.

    If you want voter ID's make sure everyone has one and encourage them to vote. What a great perspective. You get a somewhat better sense of citizenry and you are helping people participate in democracy.
     
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    Its funny. For having "won" the election, Democrats are pretty damn sour. Perhaps it is because the president still finds himself trying to bypass congress to sell his tax hikes, as if the general public wants tax hikes any more than the House Republicans.

    One of the favorite lies the president likes to tell is, "Hey, I won the election, therefore, Americans want my agenda!", when that obvious logical fallacy wears thin, he tries jumping to polling data, claiming the majority of Americans support tax hikes on the wealthy.

    Hey, at least that claim is less of a lie. 65% of Americans would support a more progressive income tax rate, assuming assuming those tax hikes came with spending cuts, something the president likes to ignore.

    On topic, if the president thinks 65% of Americans supporting a more progressive income tax rate is reason enough to put one in place, shouldn't he and his minions like Earlpearl be supporting voter ID laws, which nearly 75% of Americans favor?

    Sorry pal. 75% support for Voter ID is about as close to unanimous support as something gets in this country. Voter ID laws are as inevitable as Obama sucking for the next four years. Its a guarantee.
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    If you want voter ID's make sure the people without ID's that merit them get them. Then they can vote. Isn't that American?

    If you don't want them to vote go shop at Banana Republic.
     
    earlpearl, Dec 3, 2012 IP
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    Isn't that American? Not that I know of. There is nothing innately American or non-American about government issued photo IDs.

    Valid proof of birth has been issued for a very very very long time in this country. People without a state issued ID have always been provided a path to prove their identity, be it a drivers license, a library card, a social security card, or a green card. Not sure why you think things have suddenly changed.
     
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    Texas offered the ID for free {but was still shut out by the DOJ of having voters positively identify themselves }.
    Please explain how that fits your "none of them are doing that" claim.
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    Okay: One offered it. meanwhile the process is being reviewed vis a vis the questions about suppressing voters versus the claims of rooting out the (IMHO and that of many others) virtually non existent voter fraud

    Meanwhile a number of people who were GOP big wigs and involved in the efforts at legislation said....these laws are all about voter suppression.
     
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    Besides Texas, at least Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and Wisconsin are offering free voting ID. I'm not sure, there may be other states. Here's an article (from 2011), it mentions South Carolina is waiving it's normal $5 ID fee because of this.
     
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    Its rather stunning isn't it? At some point, after all the excuses for having ID to vote have been removed, Democrats will be left arguing against Voter ID laws on the principal that the Government does not have the right to confirm one's legal right to vote.

    I look at 75% support for Voter ID laws and I have to seriously wonder how much overlap there is between the 25% who oppose those laws, and the 10% who still think Elvis is alive. Moon bats.
     
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    I know, it's ridiculous. The 25% that oppose don't have much of an argument.
     
    Rebecca, Dec 4, 2012 IP