Visible Page Rank versus Actual Page Rank

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by addaminsane, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hi, I read alot of Page Rank threads as I am still trying to discover the relationship between Page Rank and ranking high In SERPs. My main question posed for this thread is "Is Page Rank credited continuously by bots and then simply made visible on Page Rank Updates?". Or "Is the Page Rank update simply to serve a visual Purpose, and doesn't actually affect How Google views the authority of your site? I'm wandering this because i have a site with over a thousand pages, only about 270 indexed. Its about 8 months old and has a PR 1 on the home page. It appears to me that when I check backlinks I have over 2500 for this particular site which seems like the page rank will go up on the next update. At the same time, the site is not getting hardly any SERPs for alot of targeted keywords. Competetive and Medium. So i guess what i'm wandering is, Will the Page Rank Update actually make the Site stronger in the SERPs. I hope so, but have no idea which is why i'm posting this thread.

    One other thing that confuses me about Page Rank and led me to post this thread is that Google Webmaster shows most of my indexed pages as Low Page Rank when in fact, visually, only the homepage has Page Rank. So basically, I'm just confused about the importance of the Page Rank Update. Does it have more value than just the visual Element. Thanks for the Information in advance, i'm sure some people get sick of PR threads, but i'm still someone isn't quite sure how important it is for SERPs.
     
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  2. FairyOfLove

    FairyOfLove Banned

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    #2
    i do not have courage to read so big paragraph :)
    Please make thread in points ;)

    ~ Fairy
     
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  3. Mong

    Mong ↓↘→ horsePower

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    #3
    You are wasting your brain watts ;)

    There is no apparent relation between PR and SERP ranks.

    SERP ranks are changed daily while PR updates only after few months.

    Forget about finding old relationships between separated spouses ;)
     
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  4. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    #4
    I asked a question, i didnt ask for input on my thinking ability. Please don't undermine my question with a pretty much worthless post with off the wall phrases.
     
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    stock_post Prominent Member

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    #5
    You are on a public forum, you get the public view of the question as well.
    If you are concerned, you need to hire a pro and pay.
     
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  6. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    okay, well, i guess this thread is completely ruined...I appreciate it.
     
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    i bet you learned a lot from the this thread!!! we still care for you...
     
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  8. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    well, can someone who at least knows the answer or understands the question of the starting post of this thread, give some of their knowledge about visible page rank updates and whether or not they actually add value to the site once the update takes place in terms of SERPs. Does google start to give the site more credit in the SERPs once it has a higher visible Page Rank?
     
    addaminsane, Aug 29, 2007 IP
  9. trichnosis

    trichnosis Prominent Member

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    pr is full of waste time and you are also on the wrong forum.

    this forum is only for adsense related think;)
     
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  10. FastWeb

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    #10
    I wish that people would quit spreading this rumor.

    Pagerank is part of the algorithm Google uses to determine your SERPs for a keyword. It's not the ONLY part, but it is an IMPORTANT part. For the sake of brevity, I'm not going to link to the actual GOOGLE page where this is explained. The link has been shown on here a 1000 times already.

    @OP: Don't worry so much about your PR or backlinks, etc. When you break it down to it's most basic aspect, your job is to get results - SERPs. I have a PR2 page that is beating PR5 and PR4 pages in the SERPs.

    Google does constantly update your SERPs, the next PR update to most folks will simply be a visibility thing on the toolbar. The last 2 PR updates didn't affect my SERPs at all. (caveat: if you're using some black hat techniques and the update bans your URL, you definitely will notice a change in SERPs :) ). If you focus on 1) on-page optimization; 2) building up your site into something the user loves; and 3) creating more and more backlinks, you will move up in the SERPs.

    What the hell are you talking about? This is the SEO forum
     
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  11. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    Thanks fastweb, thats a reply I was looking for. I really wish people would quit giving me infractions when I'm not purposefully misusing the forum. It makes it harder for me to get help and less willing to help others when it appears that People don't like me or regard me as a crappy member of the forum.
     
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  12. indyguidedotinfo

    indyguidedotinfo Notable Member

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    that gave me a headache
     
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  13. FastWeb

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    #13
    I didn't see your post as a problem at all - it is a valid question.

    Don't worry about all us cranky webmasters. We're waiting for the next Google PR update to see how badly Google is going to screw/reward us for our hard work. :)
     
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  14. lovekills_s

    lovekills_s Well-Known Member

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    PR is crap..Its just a wrong metric to measure SERPS or a webpage..

    For those who say PR is important, Ok, well.. I can get PR from Crap links, Spam and blah blah blah techniques..right? But hey Can I get SERPS with such links??

    On one side of the coin, its said,>>>>>It's not the ONLY part, but it is an IMPORTANT part<<<<<

    On the other side: >>>Don't worry so much about your PR or backlinks, etc<<<

    Ok yet another case, I can get a PR-4 or Prolly PR-5 very easily with just a single backlink of may be .. say PR-9 or kinda..

    Will that one back link show my site up in SERPS?? Well no..

    Bottom Line: PR is crap..Dont worry about it, Focus on RELEVANT links and SERPS only..

    IT's The SERPS that will bring you traffic, NOT THE PR..

    Well NO, You can see many sites with just PR-2 or PR-1 beating PR-5,6 sites at SERPS, so its pretty clear, PR is nothing, All that's needed for your SERPS is Great COntent, and Relevant Backlinks Preferably One-ways.

    Hope that Helps..
    LKS
     
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  15. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    well doesn't a higher PR mean that google will index more of my pages? I have over a thousand on one site and 270 are indexed. After the visible update would that mean that the bots index more pages, thus giving me more internal links and pages with content? Its like my sites waiting to blow up, but i'm not sure what it will take for the internal pages to start being considered worth something.
     
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    Unless I am mistaken (correct me if I am, but I'm sure that I'm not), a high PR may result in Google indexing more pages CONTAINING RELEVANT KEYWORDS linked from that page and existing within the same domain.
     
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  17. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    I think thats my main concern with PR, not just worrying about SERPs as a direct relation to PR but the fact the a higher PR will allow the massive amount of pages on the site to get indexed better and be given more credit, thus strengthening the site as a whole in the SERPs.
     
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  18. lovekills_s

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    You are almost right .. The best to make this happen is a good interanl linking structure of the website, so that PR juice flows deeper into the inner pages and gets criculated everywhere..

    Once it happens, it will allow a better indexing of all the pages..

    Moreover a updating your sitemap, and then submitting it again at the webmaster console will also help in better indexing of the pages.. Check out for very less content or duplicate on the pages those arent getting indexed, and get atleast 2 links for each page that get duly cralwed by google..

    That shud solve the issue, IMHO..

    Regards
    LKS
     
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  19. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    thanks for that info, i'm actually doing all that, i guess i'll just have to be really patient. It feels weird cuz i have over 1000 pages on this website and feel like i need to keep adding more for it to get some credit but I guess it just takes time. Guess i just need to let it age like a fine wine.
     
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