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Veto power....an abuse of power?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Spoiltdiva, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. N_F_S

    N_F_S Active Member

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    #21
    Even a kid knows who was behind all these revolutions in them countries. Russia even knows persons, who are actually specialists in arab revolutions, one of them just became a US Ambassador to Russia (wikileaks proves that too - if you believe wikileaks though :)). I saw on TV some interesting programme about him.

    Here is a video where russian opposition leaders gather in US Embassy in Moscow (I wonder how much did they get paid):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf3LjntNX20

    Thats not a natural opposition to me. Although, to me Putin is not great either, but there is no one else there to vote for.

    In english: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/world/europe/russia-warns-against-support-for-arab-uprisings.html


    What Russians built in Afghanistan until 1989

    1. GES Puli Khumri-II capacity of 9 MW for district. Kungduz 1962

    2. TPP with nitrogen fertilizer plant capacity of 48 MW (4x12) 1 part - 1972 II place - 1974 (36 MW) Expansion - 1982 (up to 48 MW)

    3. The dam and power plant "uppity" on the River. Kabul capacity of 100 MW expansion in 1966 - 1974

    4. Transmission lines with substations from hydroelectric Puli Khumri-II to the town of Baghlan and Kunduz (110 km) 1967

    5. Transmission line from the substation 35 / 6 kW of thermal power plants in the nitrogen fertilizer plant to the city of Mazar-i-Sharif (17,6 km) 1972

    6-8. Power substation in the north-western part of Kabul and power lines - 110 kV power substation from "Eastern" (25 km) 1974

    9-16. Eight oil storage tanks with total capacity of 8300 cu. m 1952 - 1958 years.

    17. The pipeline from the place of gas to nitrogen fertilizer plant in Mazar-i-Sharif 88 km in length and carrying capacity 0,5 billion cubic meters. meters of gas per year 1968 1968 ?.

    18 - 19. The pipeline from gazopromysla to the Soviet border length of 98 km, 820 mm in diameter, up to 4 billion cubic meters. meters of gas per year, including air passage through the river Amu Darya 660 m long in 1967, aerial crossing pipeline-1974.

    20. Looping on the main gas pipeline 53 km in length in 1980

    21. Transmission line - 220 kV from the Soviet border in the vicinity of Shirhan to the town of Kunduz (first stage) 1986

    22. Increased oil depot in the port of Hairaton 5 thousand cubic meters. M 1981

    23. Tank farm in the town of Mazar-i-Sharif with a capacity of 12 thousand cubic meters. m 1982

    24. Petrol station in Logar capacity of 27 thousand cubic meters. m 1983

    25. Tank farm in the town of Puli - Khumri capacity of 6 thousand cubic meters. m

    26-28. Three motor companies in the city of Kabul on 300 trucks "Kamaz" each 1985

    29. Automotive service facility fuel trucks in Kabul

    30. Service station car "Kamaz" in Hairatan 1984

    31. Decoration gazopromysla in the vicinity of Shiberghan power of 2,6 billion cubic meters. meters of gas per year in 1968

    32. Decoration gazopromysla on the field "Dzharkuduk" with its complex structures for desulfurization and the preparation of gas for transportation in the amount of up to 1,5 billion cubic meters. meters of gas per year in 1980

    33. Booster compressor station at gazopromysle "Hodge-Gugerdag, 1981

    34-36. Nitrogen fertilizer plant in Mazar-i-Sharif capacity of 105 thousand tons of urea per year with a residential village and building a base in 1974

    37. Auto Repair Plant in the city of Kabul, the capital repair capacity of 1,373 vehicles and 750 tons of metal per year in 1960

    38. Airport Bagram "with a runway of 3000 m in 1961

    39. The international airport in Kabul with the runway 2800h47 m 1962

    40. Aerodrome "Shindand" with a runway of 2800 m in 1977

    41. A line of multi-channel communication from the city of Mazar-i-Sharif to Hayraton 1982

    42. Fixed satellite communication station Intersputnik type "Lotus"

    43. House-building factory in Kabul capacity of 35 thousand square meters of living space in the year 1965

    44. Increased house-building plant in Kabul to 37 thousand square meters. m of living space in the year 1982

    45. Asphalt-concrete plant in the city of Kabul, paving of streets and delivery of road vehicles (delivery of equipment and technical assistance made through IMT) 1955

    46. River port Shirhan designed to process 155 tonnes of cargo per year, including 20 thousand tons of oil products in 1959 increased in 1961

    47. Highway bridge over the River. Khanabad near the village of Alchin length of 120 m in 1959

    48. Roads "Salang" through the Hindu Kush mountain range (107,3 km tunnel 2,7 km at an altitude of 3300 m), 1964

    49. Reconstruction of technical systems the tunnel Salang, 1986

    50. Roads Kushka - Herat - Kandahar (679 km) from the cement-concrete pavement in 1965

    51. Roads Doshi - Shirhan (216 km) with black finish in 1966

    52-54. Three road bridge across the river Kandaha province. Kunar in areas Bisuda, cameo, Asmar long, respectively 360 m, 230 m and 35 m in 1964

    55. Roads Kabul - Jabel - US-Seraj (68,2 km) 1965

    56-57. Two road bridge over the river and the Salang Gurband to 30 m each in 1961
    58. Central repair shops for repair of road construction equipment in the city of Herat in 1966

    59. The road Puli Khumri, Mazar-e-Sheriff Shibergan length of 329 km with a black finish in 1972

    60. The road from the highway Puli Khumri-Shibergan to Hayraton on the bank. Amu length of 56 km

    61. Road / railway bridge over. Amu 1982

    62. The grounds of the storage terminal on the left bank. Amu Darya in the Hairaton
    63. Kindergarten for 220 beds and a nursery for 50 places in the city of Kabul in 1970
    64. City electric network in the city of Jalalabad in 1969

    65-66. City electric network in the cities. Mazar-i-Sharif and Balkh in 1979

    67-68. Two neighborhood in the city of Kabul, the total area of 90 thousand square meters. m 1978

    69-74. 6 meteorological stations and 25 posts of 1974

    75-78. 4 conditioners

    79. Center for Maternal and Child 110 visits per day in the city of Kabul in 1971

    80. Geological, geophysical, seismic and drilling for oil and gas in northern Afghanistan 1968 - 1977 years.

    81. Integrated search and surveying work for solid minerals

    82. Polytechnic Institute in Kabul in 1200 students in 1968

    83. College for 500 students for the training of Petroleum Geologists and miners in the town of Mazar-i-Sharif in 1973

    84. Automotive Technical School for 700 students in Kabul

    85-92. 8 vocational schools to train skilled workers 1982 - 1986.

    93. Boarding School on the basis of an orphanage in Kabul in 1984

    94. Bread-baking plant in Kabul (silo capacity of 50 thousand tons of grain, two mills - 375 tons per day milling, bakery 70 tons of bread per day) 1957

    95. The elevator in the town of Puli Khumri capacity of 20 thousand tons of grain

    96. The bakery in Kabul capacity 65 tons of bread per day in 1981

    97. The mill in the town of Puli Khumri capacity of 60 tons per day in 1982

    98. The bakery in the town of Mazar-i-Sharif with production capacity of 20 tons of bakery products a day

    99. The mill in the town of Mazar-i-Sharif with production capacity of 60 tons of flour a day

    100. Jalalabad irrigation canal with a knot head intakes on the River. Kabul, 70 km long with a hydroelectric power 11,5 tys.kVt 1965

    101-102. Dam Sard with reservoir capacity of 164 million cubic meters. m, and
    irrigation networks in the dam to irrigate 17.7 hectares of land 1968 - 1977gg.

    103-105. Two multi-agricultural farm "Gazibad" with the territory of 2.9 ha, "Hulda" on the territory of 2.8 ha and the irrigation and reclamation of land preparation in the area of Jalalabad to the canal area of 24 hectares 1969 - 1970.

    106-108. Three veterinary laboratories to combat infectious diseases of animals in the cities. Jalalabad, Mazar-e Sharif and Herat, 1972

    109. Processing plant citrus and olives in the city of Jalalabad in 1984

    110. Control seed laboratory for grain crops in Kabul

    111-113. Three soil-agrochemical laboratory in years. Kabul, Mazar-i-Sharif and Jalalabad
    114-115. Two cable cranes in the area of Khorog and Qala-Khumb 1985 - 1986.

    116. LEP-220 kV State Border of the USSR-Mazari-Sherif, 1986

    117. Complete laboratory analysis of solid minerals in Kabul in 1985

    118. Elevator with a capacity of 20 thousand tons of grain in Mazar-i-Sharif
    119. Station maintenance trucks on 4 posts in Pul-Humrm

    120-121. 2 hlopkovh seed lab in years. Kabul and Balkh

    122. Polyclinic insurance company public servants at 600 visits per day in Kabul

    123-125. Stations of artificial insemination in the cities. Kabul (Binigisar), Mazar-e Sharif (Balkh), Jalalabad

    126. Institute of Social Sciences under the Central Committee of the Democratic Party of Afghanistan in 1986

    127. Development of technical and feasibility of establishing two state farms on the basis of the irrigation system "Sard"

    128. 10 kV power transmission line from the state border in the area Kushki to the station. Turgundi with the substation - "-

    129. Gas-filling station in Kabul capacity of 2 thousand tons per year

    130. Base MIA Hairaton for unloading and storage spetsgruzov (on contract terms)

    131. Reconstruction of the railway station Turgundi 1987

    132. Restoration of the bridge over the river. Samangan

    133. Gas-filling station in Hairaton capacity of 2 thousand tons of liquefied gas

    134. Looping 50 km pipeline USSR - Afghanistan

    135. Refurbishment work on trunk roads

    136. Secondary school for 1300 students in the city of Kabul with a number of subjects taught in Russian

    137. Installation for processing gas condensate diesel fuel production capacity of 4 thousand tons per year for gazopromysle Dzharkuduk

    138. MGB base in the port of Hairaton

    139-141. Three concreted area in Hairaton

    142. The company on a progressive assembly bike capacity of 15 thousand units per year in Kabul in 1988

    More can be found here with pictures: http://defenceforumindia.com/europe-russia/18898-russians-built-afghanistan-until-1989-a.html

    Any idea what Americans have built since 2001 there?
     
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    N_F_S, Feb 5, 2012 IP
  2. boblord666

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    #22
    The Afghanis like it, they've been defending it for 30 years against superpowers and will defend it until they are all dead.
     
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  3. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #23
    Well, you've certainly provided the evidence a child might provide. Seriously, if you think the US is behind these revolutions, I would imagine you have a great view of your tonsils from the back side.

    More than the Russians, but who cares? Its not exactly like the Russians are beloved in Afghanistan for all you built. You are simply the invaders they purged (with our help).

    Actually, considering the life expectancy in Afghanistan is only 47.9 years, those people are already all dead. LoL. The next generation of Afghans who we are dealing with right now wouldn't know caviar from horse sh*t.
     
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  4. boblord666

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    #24
    And you, with all your wealth, will be contributing to the improvement in facilities for less fortunate countries such as Afghanistan I suppose?

    Low life expectancy is due to big guns attacking them for 30 years.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Yah, we Americans are real stingy.
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    LoL. Yah, it couldn't be the Taliban murdering it's own citizens (Women in this case).

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    Oh no. Its only those evil outsiders who disturb the paradise that is Afghanistan.
     
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  6. Bushranger

    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #26
    The huge amount given by the US comes with strings, such as drug enforcement. We want you to keep dope illegal so if you agree we'll give you 2 billion - it's not handed over for the benefit of said country, just to make them bend to US policies. The more you give the more you're interfering.
     
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  7. Spoiltdiva

    Spoiltdiva Notable Member

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    #27
    "just to make them BEND to US policy".That word sort of jumped out at me.Then I noticed your new avatar and thought,"Where is he going with this?" :)
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #28
    lol, no pun was intended. I've got into the new habit of changing my avatar daily to espouse the many & various faces / personalities / features of God. The gay God came about from f*ckhead's faggot comment. It may stay for a little longer. :)
     
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    Spoiltdiva Notable Member

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    #29
    Ya I know,we can combat hate at times with humor.It's about keeping our heads above the mire.:)
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Or in the case of Egypt, don't murder innocent civilians and wrongfully incarcerate American nationals. FTR, much of America's money comes from private parties, with no strings attached. That private money far outpaces any foreign donations. Strikes me as odd to see people try and downplay charitable donations.
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    Gee, and I thought you would have come back with the 'per capita, Australia is well ahead of US so we must interfere moreso'.

    I wouldn't knock donations without obligations, that's more your territory. That screams of socialism to me. :)
     
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    #32
    Some of that money are my tax dollars and my neighbors. The chunk came from as O nation said from private parties,

    They should be thankful. I should have been tanning my ass in the Bahamas with the extra cash. :D
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #33
    I donated to a few causes last year. This year i'm picking on zoos.
     
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    Spoiltdiva Notable Member

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    #34
    We've got talk about "bending over",we've got Bushrangers new avatar,and now we've got Popotalk discussing "tanning his ass in the Bahamas".Poor Mikael is going to have his homophobia going right through the roof!
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    We all know homophobia is the struggle to stay straight. Usually guilt caused by 'consentual' lewd acts in younger years. Homophobia doesn't concern me, it's the hate crimes that come with it that is indefensable imho.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #36
    Australia is very generous, on a per capita basis, but that is really off topic. My comment was in response to Bobo's snide remark that implied American's haven't done any spending to improve Afghanistan. It was complete crap on a generally and specifically.

    What people do with their private money is none of my business. I'm personally happy that so many American and Australian private citizens make donations.

    If it is my government making charitable donations with my tax dollars, on the other hand, I am absolutely thrilled that there are some strings attached. Our government is not a charity. It is supposed to be working to further the interests of Americans.
     
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  17. Spoiltdiva

    Spoiltdiva Notable Member

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    Well said,but if we choose to laugh at his hate then it sort of takes the wind out of his sails.Everyone deserves to be respected and have a right to dignity.It's odd that Mikael on the one hand will defend Palestinians etc.,but on the other hand discrimate against gays....double standard methinks.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Mikael doesn't give a crap about Palestinians. His concern is with the destruction of the Jews. If building sympathy for the Palestinians aids in that cause, then that is something he can get behind, but not because he cares about the Palestinians.
     
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    Probably it is time to bomb Russia.
     
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  20. Spoiltdiva

    Spoiltdiva Notable Member

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    #40
    Not really a good idea as Russia has plenty of nukes and would more than likely bomb us right back.I've got a better idea,why don't we simply reform this outdated veto B.S. and eliminate it so that "ALL" nations have equality? Having 5 nations with all powerful veto power makes the U.N. seem like a joke where the parents(the 5 nations with veto power)have authority over the rest of the children.
     
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