Vermont Secession from Union

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Really great article on the American secession movement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/good-magazine/vermont-most-likely-to-s_b_84820.html
Vermont: Most Likely To Secede?

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In her 1936 book, Give Me Liberty, Rose Wilder Lane, an avowed Leninist, described her travels to the Soviet Union, where she found that the workers "liberated" into the "communal" life of the state were pretty unhappy. One peasant she spoke to said of the new country: "It's too big.... At the top, it is too small. It will not work." History bore out the lowly peasant's judgment, not Lenin's.

George Kennan, the architect of Cold War containment and the national-security state that arose in answer to the Soviet Union, came to the same conclusion about the United States. "There is a real question," Kennan warned, "as to whether bigness in a body politic is not an evil in itself." Years later, when Thomas Naylor wrote to the old Cold Warrior outlining a New England secession uniting Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont, Kennan personally responded with a letter dictated from his sickbed: "I write to say that in the idea of the three American states' ultimate independence, whether separately or in union, I see nothing fanciful. [Such] are at present the dominating trends in the U.S. that I see no other means of ultimate preservation of cultural and societal values that will not only be endangered but eventually destroyed by an endlessly prolonged association ... with the remainder of what is now the U.S.A."

It was the stratagems of George Kennan, who died in 2005, that ultimately defeated the Soviet Union. Naylor sees this as historical irony, and he takes pleasure in drawing a dark comparison between the Soviet Union and the United States: There is the same far-flung geography. The same corporate socialism that defies free markets. The same spread of influence worldwide through violence, murder, and pillage. The same stunted public discourse. The same electoral sclerosis in the legislature (Congress is almost as stable in membership as the Politburo). "No one in the Soviet Union in 1960 or 1970 or even 1980 found it imaginable that someday it would collapse," says Naylor. So, too, he says, is our certainty today in the stability of the United States of America.
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guerilla, Feb 8, 2008 IP

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Vermont succeeded from New York in 1777 to become the 14th State.

bogart, Feb 8, 2008 IP

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I also included Vermont!..

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=123697

Good post guerilla!

ncz_nate, Feb 23, 2008 IP

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The only states that can make a case for sucession are Texas and the Original 13 Colonies. The rest of the states are from US national terrority. For instance Alaska was purchased from the Russians.

bogart, Feb 23, 2008 IP

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