Hello to all I am wanting to see what I can do. I am trying to add a vbulletin forum to my site that I am working on. So I can change anything I need to at this point. I am working with spry dropdown menus and css. I am thinking about stricly using css for rolloever navigation and such, yet I really like what can be done with spry. But I wonder what can I do to make a site integrate with vbulletin ok? I have heard of something called a wrapper, I have NO idea what this is at all. I have been told that you can make a psd image like your background and menus and slice it for your site and make a vbulletin skin out of it too? If you look at sites like dnforum or sitepoint (dot) coms they have rollovers and look nice. But, I am no good at javascript and I am not sure if that is what they are using. I am not sure if you see java in a code it means that it is or if it is like a style sheet where there is java on the page and it is just telling the browser where to find it. So I am at the mercy of the programmer here to maybe give me an idea of what I need to do? I have no idea of how to make php files or xml files for the vb skin. I do have access to most of adobes products, if that helps any with design. I know many of you have been where I am, you have high hopes of making a decent looking site, yet you have no idea how to get it done. So any ideas are GREATLY APPRECIATED on your suggestions on what I can do to design a site that will work with vbulletin? It is mainly the navigation and headers that I want. Something that allows me to have a logo with mutiple navigation buttons. I mentioned i like the spry framework, I am not sure if I open a blank css document and add the sprys, header images and then cut and copy that code and enter it in vb some how if it will work and giv me that look that I am so searching for? Anyways thank you again so much for your time and trouble. Colochris