Ive spent a large amount of time optimizing the code that comes out of the box on vb4, frankly, it sucked. by spending a few days working on the code that no doubt, a dozen people have spent 18 months on, Ive managed to cut down page size by 70%, increase load times, improve the SEO and so on. My board is over at http://seoforums.org check it out and let me know what you think. Im not saying that vb4 is total cack, its just its 95% complete, and should have been worked on a bit more thoroughly before release!