valid w3c code and google

Discussion in 'Google' started by ophir.oren, Dec 9, 2006.

  1. #1
    Hi all,
    I've adjusted one of my websites that I'm trying to promote to the w3c standarts. I used the validator on the w3c.org website to validate.
    I've read that if you use a valid code google will index you better. so first question: is it really the case?

    second, after you validate the html & css they issue an html code that you can put on your website to show it is valid. if I put this code in my website, does it matter somthing to google? is it better for google if I put it there?

    this is the website I'm promoting. any advices will be accepted with great happiness and thanks :D
     
    ophir.oren, Dec 9, 2006 IP
  2. Morishani

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    Hey, thats preety nice hanukiot you got there :)

    The trend today is to seperate the presentation from the content. Thus, use only css for presentation, try to use the minimum amount of non-content-related html tags.

    Not to use tabes for the presentation (aka - layout) - but use them for tables.

    Yes, i think that it does miracles. some websites are promoted by me only by seperating the presentation from the content.

    One more thing, to use the maximum content-related html tags (h1-6,strong,em,hr, etc')

    Happy seo and hanuka :)
     
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  3. ophir.oren

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    Hi,
    Thanks for answering :)
    what exactly do you mean by "seperate the presentation from the content", and what are "non-content-related html tags". should I not use tables at all? if so, I will I arrange the data on the page?
     
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  4. kh7

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    #4
    If you use external CSS to arrange the place of the place of the menu on the page, that is separating content and presentation. That does help in google, especially if you combine that with appropriate use of H1-h3 tags (usually you won't need more than that).
    CSS works best if the page is validated. On the other hand, many pages look fine in IE and FF, do have separation of content and style - yet don't quite validate. Validation is only a tool to get the CSS to work just right. But 100% validation isn't necessary.
     
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  5. ophir.oren

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    Hi,
    Please look the the website I'm talking about.
    you will notice that I've arranged all the data in the website inside tables that. for the table size I used precents so it will look ok on different resolutions. and if you have a look at a product page you'll see that things are a litttle more complex there.
    if i design the page with only css how do I put everything in it's place? I can only do it with permenent positioning, or am I wrong?

    thanks
     
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  6. mad4

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    #6
    Valid html and using CSS makes no difference whatsoever in Google.
     
    mad4, Dec 9, 2006 IP
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    #7
    Learning CSS is a long process, unfortunately. I've been at it for over a year now, and it is still easier to position things with tables (though any new page I do is done with CSS).
    If you want to learn this, you should start with using CSS for type. That already gets rid of a lot of extra code.
    Positioning is next. I do most of my positioning using floats, but absolute positioning is also possible. The advantage of floats is that different floats can't be at the same spot at the same time. If you look at my homepage you will see a reasonably complex layout, using nested divs and float. http://www.katinkahesselink.net/
     
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    I do think separating content from style helps in keeping the code/content ratio reasonable and that will help in google. I do agree though that it isn't the most important factor.
    I use CSS mainly because once the coding is done, changes are easier to make and making a new page in that same style is also easier. Also I'm purist enough to just like clean code. It's so much easier to check, for instance.
     
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  9. thegypsy

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    This is te only correct post here folks.. really.. come on. MC and other Googlers have stated the only way is if it is soooo bad it can't be spidered...

    Go run W3C validation on any top competitive SERP ranking site....

    While U are playing with CODE ... I (your competitor) am working on relevant quality one way back links...

    Guess who is gonna win that race?
     
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    I'd like to see where Matt Cutts says that. CSS helps put content first, and menu second in code - and that should certainly help, for instance.
    Anyhow, I worry about code once: when I design. After that I don't have to worry, because my layout and everything is set. So every next page I do precisely what you do: content > links > more content > more links etc. But each of those new pages is coded in a way that makes changing the look easy and simple: one change in one CSS file and the whole look changes.
     
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    I agree completetly!

    My site does not validate, often because of the google adsense ads and the google search box on my site.

    If your site appears ok in firefox and IE then I would not worry too much about validation.
     
    ultimatehandyman, Dec 10, 2006 IP
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    #12
    Yer kidding right?

    Matt Cutts videos Q&A on his site ..? Ok..lemme dig it up 4 ya :D

    Ok I have some listed on one of my sites;

    July 06 Matt Cutts videos the stuff on Compliant code is in Video #3

    and some of the other Matt Cutts Video Q&A from July 06, if you're interested..

    Anyways, the compliant code stuff is in Video #3 -- have a look

    Hope that helps
     
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    Watch this video: http://videos.webpronews.com/2006/12/06/vanessa-fox-clarifies-the-role-of-google-sitemaps/
     
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