using SSI is the same using Frame for robots?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by irka, Feb 10, 2006.

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    Do you think ssi method for external application or pages is the same than having frame ? Or it is far way better to use SSI ? Thanks for any comments :)Cheers !
     
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  2. hans

    hans Well-Known Member

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    its different from several points of view
    i love frames
    here my precise SEO reasons:

    1. SSI often is included in every page
    meanning it adds an identical content to every page ( unless of course different SSI calls are made for different files or modules )
    that leads to what i may call "dilution" of your content keywords
    example
    you have your navigation inserted by SSI ( on left side of page ) with links/anchor texts for topics A, B, C, D, E, F, ...
    and you write a brief expertise about topic X on that page
    hence you now have a mess of keywords ABCDEFX
    = only a rather small portion is about X
    that will drift in SERPS your entire page toward other keyword combination in SE - away from most precise actual topic-content
    it also may drift away your adsense relevancy
    you may suddenly find ads about ABCDEF on every page in addition of a few X -topic ads

    if on th eother option you use frames PROPERLY !! = means NEVER have fraemset called index.html but ANYTHING ELSE and use the file name index.html ( or index.php ) for either the main page OR the left navigation file
    now in frames structure you have physically seperate files

    1 that contains all navigation
    another one for the actual PURE/CLEAN content
    other frames possibly for other ad on parts such as top frame for a few site navigation or search tools

    hence in my 9 years of frames experiences on a growing site i experience many benefits using frames compared to most other versions out there.

    of course i use SSI for RSS and a very few other precise reasons

    the last point is
    if you are using SSI to compose CINTENT pages with different content modules having pure content relevant to the main content - then of course all is equal SSI or frames

    the a.m. frames benefits only exist if you want to add to a browser view ( window ) page-content OUT of context of real main topic of each individual page
     
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    Most of the people on internet warned me the bad benefits frames could give to my website. I am lost right now. Frames are reliable for navigation but not for content thats what you mean hum... ?

    And another question:
    I see when i suscribed to adsense, they asked me whether my websites was made off frames or plain html. I unchecked frame. But now i am using SSI should i check "frame website" in my google adsense account?

    How can you do that :p:p:p:p ?

    Thanks for your support fellow, you deserve my gratitude!
     
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    I clearly prefer frames over any other method!
    after having spent some 35'000 hrs work to create my site-content, I instantly would change to ANY better method if such would exist.

    frames mehtod if CORRECTLY done gives cleanest SEO results compared with any other method of site navigaton.

    MOST of the people using frames are using WRONG frames methods
    i clearly outlined the correct method. most ppl use frameset filename index.html which is totally WRONGEST possible mehtod and hence they fail with their entire site.

    using SSI makes the page modules appearing ONE page to Google - hence totally different Go behavior from frames.

    if you use SSI then NO NEED to cleack that framed page feature in adsense.

    SSI RSS is exactly same as SSI anything else.
    1st you create your own RSS - see howto RSS
    I use zFeeder - it works perfectly for onsite RSS ( my own ) as well as to insert offsite RSS feeds from any other public RSS feeds you may wish to include on your site.

    example
    using zFeeder I include a php code line like

    <? $_GET['zfcategory']="god_and_love"; $_GET['zftemplate']="css";
    include('newsfeeds/zfeeder.php'); ?>

    the category is what you create / name yourself in zFeeder admin page
    the template is what you select from the many templates included for various ways to display the feed on a given page - the CSS template uses only CSS to arrange all RSS components of the feed, hence it is the only method to achieve easy 100% validated feeds-SSI else with the other templates you screw up your page validation. - the last part of the script line tells the path to the zFeeder script.

    on my site you see many RSS feeds inserted via Zfeeder/SSI
    example my newest "hobby":
    Business News Philippines where is use it to create the index page made of mRSS format feeds ... plus inserted other RSS feeds .. just a hobby to test new ways of pubishing

    other feed-scripts may need other methods to SSI. Zfeeder is old, never had any troubles, fully maintenance free and works with PHP and ..
    offers a WAP format feed option to offer your site visitors WAP RSS feeds - my current #7 entry page on my site - I started to offer WAP-capable content many years ago in early stage of WAP devices ... G does the rest by converting all site into WAP format on their WAP-proxy ;)

    if you have ANY doubts about frames
    just study a case fromk my site
    look at frameset files and content
    imagine the SEO disaster if any frameset fiel would be renamed index....

    any index.* file ALWAYS needs to have either all navigation links OR an introduction to the content of that folder with links to all major files ...

    I am almost sure I wrote repeatedly about that topic either here in DP or anywhere else
     
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    Thanks a lot for those great feedbacks :) i know more than i knew this morning thanks a lot again, i keep an eye on your website though ;)
    Cheers!
     
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    ;)
    one final point about why using YOUR RSS as SSI and NOT js on your own site:
    if you have a larger site with many hundreds or thousands of pages, then adding RSS-SSI is an excellent promotion of new chapters, sections, services or products of your own site/business
    AND
    if an RSS feed is used to pulbish NEW pages of your site and that RSS is used on much frequented pages several times across your own site,
    then G and all major SE will find NEW pages faster and index them faster

    SSI-RSS from other sites serve as NON-recip backlinks
    it obviously requires that you truly love that content/site
    hence it is an even faster way for SE to find your own new pages if a few/several sites have your feeds SSI'd on their site
    in addition it may add to the PR

    RSS as js has no effects on SE nor PR
    hence is useless from that double value point of view a.m.
     
    hans, Feb 11, 2006 IP